Kungsgeten Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Have you thought about or seen a "short diamond" opening, similar to precision, but with a wide range? Let's say something like 12-14 NT or 11-20 with 4+ diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Paging mickyb... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I played unbalanced 11 to 22, or balanced 8 to 10, for a few years. It was very fun and worked rather well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Can you explain what you mean by "short diamond" in this context where you also say 4+? I play that a 1♦ open is defined as having a singleton or void outside diamonds, or 6+ diamonds, 11/12 to 22, no 5 card major. It is always 3+, most usually 4+. A 3-suiter will have max 20. Edited November 17, 2015 by fromageGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungsgeten Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Can you explain what you mean by "short diamond" in this context where you also say 4+? Yes I should have been clearer. I was thinking about a 1D bid which shows one of these: a) Any 12--14 NT, so could have 2 diamondsb) Unbalanced 4+ diamonds, 11--20 I'm curious about this in a big club context, and in that case 1D would show: a) Any 12--14 NTb) 12--14 4-4-1-4 (so 1D may have only one diamond if 12--14)c) Unbalanced 4+ diamonds, 11--20d) 5 clubs and 4 diamonds, 11--14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 If 1D is nebulous and limited, responder can easily preempt opposite without interfering with a strong hand. If 1D is natural and limited, responder may raise or easily preempt opposite it. If 1D is natural and wide-ranging (12-20?), responder may raise and there is less pressure on the strong club With this 1D, there is less pressure on the strong club. I don't think there's that much advantage to this opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelWheel Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Have you thought about or seen a "short diamond" opening, similar to precision, but with a wide range? Let's say something like 12-14 NT or 11-20 with 4+ diamonds. American Forcing Minor used a 1♦ opener which was either a 15-17 NT, or 15-20 HCP and the beginning of a possible canape sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 That's hardly nebulous, it's just a 2-way ♦. I know a few pairs playing something similar (also with 1♣ being 2-way) in a natural system, and this works ok for them because it solves their NT ladder when playing 1NT as 9-11. So I was expecting this to be in a natural system. In a Polish ♣ type of system it's useful to make the 1♦ range bigger because the 1♣ opening is overloaded (and 2♦ rebid is used for all sorts of strong hands), but in a strong ♣ context I don't see much upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Google "The Diamond Major" by Peter Oakley. I play a version of his creation in two Precision Partnerships. 1♦ is 10-14 hcp and promises at least one 4-card major. It may be as short as zero diamonds. Open 2♦ with 6♦ or 5♦ and 4♣. Use 2NT opening as 10-14 hcp and 5-5 in the minors. Full notes available via e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Have you thought about or seen a "short diamond" opening, similar to precision, but with a wide range? Let's say something like 12-14 NT or 11-20 with 4+ diamonds. The Nottingham ♣ version that Liz McGowan and I played featured a "loose ♦", which we defined as...Flattish 10-12 OR3-suiter (any 4441/5440) 10-34 HCP(In Nottingham ♣, you open 2 of a suit with good shapely hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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