biggerclub Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♦ 1♦ - 1♥3♦ - 3♥ 1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 2♥ 1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF) 1♦ - 1♠2NT - 3♦/3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1. preemptive or inv depending on who I'm sitting opposite (as in how old school I think they are)2. GF3. not sure, I've played a 2♦ enquiry here for so long I've forgotten4. inv5. again not sure, have played a GF 2N here for too long Edit: 5: what 3♠ is may depend what 1♦-2♠ is, if WJS then it should be forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1) Old-fashioned courtesy raise - about 9-10 SP. Partner could be as big as 16-17.2) GF3) NF. To Force, bid 2♦ artificial. (see 3rd suit forcing).4) Inv.5) Wolff: 3♦ is NMF. 3♠ is GF Good suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plagiating Cyberyeti as I am lazy: 1. inv (yeah I am old scool :) )2. GF3. Forcing is standard but you can play it as weak with the good hands going through 2♦4. inv5. Probably forcing. You can play that there is no way to sign off in a partscore or you can play that all weak hands bid 3♣ (Woolf). You can of course also play these as weak and 3♣ as the forcing relay but that is not common. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1. Invitational2. Game Force3. Forcing for one round4. Invitational5. In my favourite partnership 2NT (19-20) is game forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1- Here there are 3 options :1)- 1-2-3 stop,so it is a preempt ,sign off.2)- inv3)- On some forum,it also is defined as forcing a round. 2-GF with 5+♥. 3- Here there are 2 option :1)- if rebid-2♦ is GF,rebid-2♥ is non-forcing.2)- new suit is forcing. 4-Here there are 2 option :1)- inv2)- preempt raise ♣,so it is sign off,not forcing. 5- it is a natural bid,not forcing,sign off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♦invitational. 1♦ - 1♥3♦ - 3♥forcing (are the first two just training questions?). 4♦ by opener here is not forcing. 1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 2♥forcing, could be invitational. 1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)invitational. 1♦ - 1♠2NT - 3♦/3♠3♦ non-forcing, 3♠ forcing. I really really would try to have an agreement here though. Without one I would assume 3♣ to be checkback. I would take 1♣-1M; 2NT-3♣♦ both as checkback when undiscussed for safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 3) NF. To Force, bid 2♦ artificial. (see 3rd suit forcing).Of course, we can use our own pet systems. Mine:"3) GF (quite obviously). If we would have less, we would have used Reverse Flannery the round before." I think it would help the OP more give the meaning in common standard systems. And this is a sequence that standard systems deal with in different ways: In some systems (e.g. Acol) this sequence is non forcing. In other systems (e.g. SA) this sequence is forcing for one round (after an opening of 1 of a suit, any new suit by responder is forcing). Rik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♦Invitational1♦ - 1♥3♦ - 3♥Game Forcing1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 2♥Weak, Forcing 1 or GF depending on agreements. Forcing one unless agreed otherwise.1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF)This was Invitational in standard, But now it is Game Forcing if playing XYZ (2 way checkback)1♦ - 1♠2NT - 3♦/3♠Everything except pass is Game Forcing unless specifically agreed otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 What Helene wrote except that I would add the possibility of transfer rebids to #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1♣ -1♥1♠ - 3♣ This was Invitational in standard, But now it is Game Forcing if playing XYZ (2 way checkback) For me :1- If not play XYZ,not play 2-way checkback :3♣= invBut the sequences is not same with this,for example,it goes :1♣ -1♦1♠-3♣3♣=GF with ♣ fit 2- If play XYZ and 2-way stayman :It depends on the different agreements.1)- If 2N over 1♠ is relay to 3♣,3♣ is a slam try in ♣ .2)- If 2N over 1♠ is inv,3♣ would be sign off,preempt,non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1♦-1♥3♦-3♥ forcing (are the first two just training questions?). 4♦ by opener here is not forcing.Excuse me for my poor English.I don't understand what you said about 4♦.Does it refer to 1♦-1♥-3♦-3♥-4♦? or 1♦-1♥-4♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I meant the first one. I'm sorry, I could have been clearer, it's not about your English but about mine. Maybe I'm being a bit idiosyncratic with 4D=NF, I don't know. I think responder should be allowed to pass 4D (=unsuitable for 3NT or 4H, i.e. worst possible hand in context) because opener is quite narrowly limited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Gwnn,np,np.Yes,I agree rebid-4♦ after 3♥ is non-forcing because of narrowly limited and often without ♥ fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 My experience is: (with my confidence in brackets) 1) Invitational. (100%) 2) Forcing. (100%) 3) Forcing. (100%) 4) Invitational. (100%) 5) 3D = Unclear. 3S = Forcing. Without agreements I wouldn't pass either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Plagiating Cyberyeti as I am lazy: 1. inv (yeah I am old school :) )2. GF3. Forcing is standard but you can play it as weak with the good hands going through 2♦4. inv5. Probably forcing. You can play that there is no way to sign off in a partscore or you can play that all weak hands bid 3♣ (Woolf). You can of course also play these as weak and 3♣ as the forcing relay but that is not common. I agree with all of this but for 5. We play that all GF go through 3♣ and these are to play. I have no idea if that's REALLY old school or just our agreement to survive with some of the trash we respond with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 1♦ - 1♥2♦ - 3♦ 1♦ - 1♥3♦ - 3♥ 1♣ - 1♠2♣ - 2♥ 1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 3♣ (Here you can pretend you play 4SGF) 1♦ - 1♠2NT - 3♦/3♠ non forcingforcingforcingnon forcingforcing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I agree with all of this but for 5. We play that all GF go through 3♣ and these are to play. I have no idea if that's REALLY old school or just our agreement to survive with some of the trash we respond with. Agree with all, including Helene's 1-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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