biggerclub Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 ACBL Regional Open Pairs MPs [hv=pc=n&s=st4hkqjt75dkqt74c&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=p1n2d(Diamonds%20and%20Higher%20Suit)2n(Lebensohl)p3c4hp5ddppp]133|200[/hv] Despite Partner having a stiff ♥ and 3 small ♦s, ♥s plays better (as well as being 1 level lower). Given that I was willing to play in ♥ opposite a stiff, or even void, I wondered in the PM if I should have treated this as a 1-suited hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Could just as easily play better in ♦. all you need is J♦ from partner and now you have danger of losing a ♦ ruff in hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think the sequence you had at the table was fine. You described a hand that wants to play in 4H but with diamonds on the side, holding 1H and 3D, I would pass. Partner should appreciate that you had a LOT of other ways to describe a diamond/heart 2 suiter. Over 3C you could double, bid 3D, 3H, 4C and 4D which all describe various shapes/strengths. Of those bids 4H must be the strongest suggestion of hearts - usually a 75 or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 The question isn't just which will play better. You also risk just missing game if 2♦ gets passed out and (prob more realistically) risk giving the opps room to find theirs/find a good sac. So for me it's a 4♥ bid directly over 1N. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 What does a 2NT overcall mean in your methods? If you had started with 2♥ (presumably natural) you could have followed up with 4♦ so it is not really right to say that it automatically means treating the hand as a 1-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 The question isn't just which will play better. You also risk just missing game if 2♦ gets passed out and (prob more realistically) risk giving the opps room to find theirs/find a good sac. So for me it's a 4♥ bid directly over 1N. I agree, I wouldn't want the opps (or partner) to know about the diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerclub Posted November 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 What does a 2NT overcall mean in your methods? If you had started with 2♥ (presumably natural) you could have followed up with 4♦ so it is not really right to say that it automatically means treating the hand as a 1-suiter. We are playing DONT so 2♥ would show ♥s + ♠s. Of course, blasting to 4♥s is to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Zel's on to a good line of thinking...Even if you play 2N as minors, Starting with 2N on all strong 2-suiters (4 losers) is a good idea. When partner chooses a minor, your ♥ bid reveals the strong ODR hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Zel's on to a good line of thinking...Even if you play 2N as minors, Starting with 2N on all strong 2-suiters (4 losers) is a good idea. When partner chooses a minor, your ♥ bid reveals the strong ODR hand. We do this in theory, but have never really discussed the followups. Does anyone have a good scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 We do this in theory, but have never really discussed the followups. Does anyone have a good scheme?Logical would seem something like:- (over 3♣): 3♦ = ♠+minor; 3♥ = ♥+♣; 3♠ = ♥+♦; 3NT = ♣+♦; 4♣ = ♥+♠(over 3♦): 3♥ = ♥+another; 3♠ = ♠+♣; 3NT = ♣+♦; 4♣ = ♠+♦; 4♦ = ♥+♠ or(over 3m): 3NT = ♣+♦; 1st suit step = ♥+minor; 2nd suit step = ♠+♣; 3rd suit step = ♠+♦; 4th suit step = ♥+♠ ...but both involve committing past 3NT with ♠+♦ where partner prefers diamonds, which is not ideal. Unfortunately there is simply not enough space after a 3♦ response to get everything in. Moving a GF hand with both minors to a direct 3NT overcall would fix this but good luck on remembering that in 30 years when it comes up for the first time! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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