Jinksy Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Game all, teams. ♠ QJT♥ 65♦ AT4♣ KQJ54 P opens 2N showing 5-5♠s and ♥s/♣s, playing strength about 10-13 total points (ie after including upgrades for shape). Your plausible options are 3♥ - asking P to bid 3♠ if his second suit is hearts, planning to pass it3♠ - to play4♠ - to play (maybe this should be in non-natural system discussion, but it's just a judgement question, whereas most posts in there seem to be about system) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 ETA don't agree with anything I just wrote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'll bite. I cannot believe that my only options are what you say. What is 3D? I am thinking about 3NT, as an aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Id just bid game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'll bite. I cannot believe that my only options are what you say. What is 3D? I am thinking about 3NT, as an aside. 3♣ is pass or bid 3♦.3♦ asks about P's Hs (usually on the assumption that you have long Hs and hope to find tolerance opposite) - 3♥ then shows tolerance, 3♠ shows singleton or void, and 3N shows a 5-card suit.3NT is a slam try in whichever is opener's second suit, so probably not the right bid here :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 3♣ is pass or bid 3♦.3♦ asks about P's Hs (usually on the assumption that you have long Hs and hope to find tolerance opposite) - 3♥ then shows tolerance, 3♠ shows singleton or void, and 3N shows a 5-card suit.3NT is a slam try in whichever is opener's second suit, so probably not the right bid here :P Well, then, it seems like 3♦ is an option. If partner bids 3NT, I can pass. If partner bids 3♥ or 3♠, he has clubs, and I can bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 you are playing a system where there is a 30% difference btn top and bottom and the system leaves you little/no room to invite and/or discover the other suit. Just go for the game and sound confident since there is practically no rational way to proceed and the vul game bonus is pretty large. your hood spade holding will keep doubles to a minimum taking away a lot of the risk associated with 4s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Well, then, it seems like 3♦ is an option. If partner bids 3NT, I can pass. If partner bids 3♥ or 3♠, he has clubs, and I can bid 4♠. I can't see any gain for bidding this way vs bidding 3♥. It just gives opps that little bit of extra info about P's hand, and potentially means he's playing it, having revealed so much. I surely don't want to be in 3N, anyway. Opps are very likely to find the diamond lead, so we're going to need 9 tricks off the top, and with as much as AKxxx Kxxxx x Ax, P would have opened something stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 I can't see any gain for bidding this way vs bidding 3♥. It just gives opps that little bit of extra info about P's hand, and potentially means he's playing it, having revealed so much. I surely don't want to be in 3N, anyway. Opps are very likely to find the diamond lead, so we're going to need 9 tricks off the top, and with as much as AKxxx Kxxxx x Ax, P would have opened something stronger.Look, I did not come up with this idiotic opening bid. I am just trying to deal with the ridiculous problem it created as best possible. The fact that the end result is silly is a result of the conditions a priori. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 This idiotic opening bid evolved after a lot of testing in which it got a lot of good results. On this hand, your options are to bid the same 4♠-1 the other teams are in, and give yourself an outside chance of being the only one to make having concealed your hand much better, or just make 3♠. Bidding an obviously doomed contract slowly seems obviously worse than punting one of two reasonable ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Kxxxx KJxxx Kx x is a completely ill fitting minimum, game still is not that bad (hopefully some spade spots in there). I bid 4♠.Edit: Out of curiosity what are your other pre-empts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 3-bids are nat, all other 2-bids are the same playing strength (10-13ish total points), 5+ of the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'm not playing in a part score when vulnerable at IMPs with at least an 8 card ♠ fit and 23-24 points minimum. 4 ♠ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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