Cyberyeti Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=sk542hk74dkqck652&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1h]133|200[/hv] P ? X ? 1♠ ? 1N ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=sk542hk74dkqck652&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1h]133|200[/hv] P ? X ? 1♠ ? 1N ? Make me down for a pass. The spade suit is way too weak for a 4 card overcall.I have more than enough strength for a double, but I can't stomach a 2♦ advance.Too weak for 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Pass. In tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hevnandhel Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Cheese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Pass. If it goes 1 ♥ - P - P - ?, I'm depending on partner to balance with any reasonable bid. If not, we probably haven't missed much. If responder makes a call, we are probably better off out of the auction with this K oriented hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 x 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Double seems normal, even in England. 1♠ and 1NT make me feel ill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 1NT, and no reservations. HCP analysis assumes unknowns. When you expect heavy values to your right, honors grow up. Kings and tenaces take more tricks than usual, because hooks work more than usual. This hand is loaded with positional under-evaluation if you just count HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Clear double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Pass or Double. Being all white, Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar13 Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 P > 1NT > X > 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 1NT, and no reservations. HCP analysis assumes unknowns. When you expect heavy values to your right, honors grow up. Kings and tenaces take more tricks than usual, because hooks work more than usual. This hand is loaded with positional under-evaluation if you just count HCP. Yeah specially ♦KQ grow up a lot, assming RHO will duck twice when we play the suit form dummy with the many entries we have, and later we will play towards our kings as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 x looks entirely normal. lol at 1nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Automatic double for me. It might have 15 HCP, but its certainly not worth 15 HCP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Automatic double for me. It might have 15 HCP, but its certainly not worth 15 HCP! It has 14 HCP. (But it isn't worth that either.) I'll pass - it's close to an X but the hand is just so bad. Maybe I shouldn't wimp out and just go for it NV though. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinarius Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Pass in tempo. A bad 14 (don't like KQ doubleton) and wretched intermediates. In addition to which, two diamonds from P is the last thing you want to hear. If partner balances, however, it's a totally different proposition. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Auto x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1cha Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I wouldn't mind if my partner passed with this, but I would double to show the points and the 4-card ♠. It would feel much better with ♦7 instead of ♥7, or course, but I believe it should turn out right more often than wrong.Give me at least ♥J instead of ♥7, and I will think about 1NT.1♠ never, promises 5 cards. Would I want a ♠ lead that desperately with this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I used to pass with these, but have now been converted to the view that double is a clear winning strategy in the 21st century. You lose way too many part score battles by passing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Our style with this point count and shape is to overcall 1♠, but I hate the quality of the spade suit, KQ10x, Kxx, Kx, Kxxx I'd overcall 1♠ automatically. I wasn't faced with this problem, I was the partner of the opening bidder. My team mate passed and the auction arrived in 4♥= pretty quickly. At my table the auction went 1♥-(X)-2N(4 card raise to 3 or better)-(3♠)-4♥-(4♠) and the partner of the hand I gave had Qxxxxx, x, xxx, xxx so when we didn't lead a club from AQx we could only collect 50 for a 9 IMP loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=sk542hk74dkqck652&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1h]133|200[/hv] P ? X ? 1♠ ? 1N ? Anyone who overcalls 1♠ with a rag tag suit like that isDEFINITELY a fruit bat(!) The same goes for overcalling 1NT with only a single stopper. Pass and await developments is the onlysensible course of action here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I used to pass with these, but have now been converted to the view that double is a clear winning strategy in the 21st century. You lose way too many part score battles by passing.Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 For the doublers, what do you plan to do if partner bids 2♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 This seems to be a straight battle between philosophies. Playing the traditional way you pass; playing double in a flexible style makes that available as a good option. Both styles have their advantages and disadvantages. I am obviously an old fart because I would pass it but perhaps that is as much reflective of the players in my peer group as anything else. Using phrases such as "auto" and "only sensible course" miss the point as far as I am concerned. I would not say either was definitively wrong - like so many aspects of competitive bidding you just make a choice and live with both the good and the bad that come from that decision. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 For the doublers, what do you plan to do if partner bids 2♦?Pass and hope to make it if the opps leave us there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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