patroclo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 After 1 club- 2 nt (11 points) 3 clubs. Is it to pass or forcing ? Is it correct to go to 4 c with 3 cards of club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Given the agreement for 2NT, I don't see how 3♣ can be forcing. Is opener expected to pass 2NT with ordinary hands like Jxx x KQx AQxxxx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 2NT should be very descriptive. 33(43), maybe a 5-card minor or (23)44 is allowed with perfect honour structure but it is not expected. Opener is captain and can usually just place the contract. Even 1♦-2NT3♣ is to play (OK, responder can correct to 3♦ with a 4-card diamonds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 3 ♣ isn't forcing. Bidding 2 NT advertises that you don't have 4 cards in either major else you'd bid it at the one level. So opener will often rebid a minor when having a big concern about a major suit. Billw55's example hand is a good one. With a stiff ♥, opener knows that 3 NT will not make unless you can run 8 more tricks off the top after they drive out your ♥ stopper. If opener has game going values, there are other bids beside 3 ♣ that opener can make to explore game possibilities. So, unless you have a highly unusual invitational hand, it would be normal to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monikrazy Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Is it to pass or forcing ?non-forcing Is it correct to go to 4 c with 3 cards of club ?i can't think of many instances where this is correct, we might as well try to play in 3n first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayebee Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Three clubs is clearly to play showing a minimum opener with clubs. Responder has already fully bid hid hand with 2NT and should not bid again. In particular why bid 3NT when partner by implication doesn't fancy 2NT opposite a balanced 11 count. It follows that if opener is strong then he could have found a stronger bid - either a new suit or a raise to 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitlynne Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 3C is intended to play. Why? 2NT was non-forcing and very limited (highly descriptive) in terms of honor values and distribution. (Though it is possible that 2NT might be bid on a hand with only 2 card club support - e.g., when 3-3-5-2 with modest diamonds - it tends to show 3 card club support since it denies a 4+ card major suit.) In contrast, 1C was not limited in terms of strength or distribution. It could have been a minimum opening or very strong balanced hand or a hand with long clubs - either minimum opening values or a real powerhouse. 3C says 1C was bid on minimum values with long clubs (usually 6 cards in length). Given that 3 card club support is expected, it would generally be incorrect for the 2NT responder to do anything other than Pass with 3 card support. The 2NT bidder has already told that story. What is possible is a bid of 3NT when the 3C bid improves one's hand - e.g., Ax, Axx, T9xxx, QJx. If opener has as little as AKxxxx in clubs and major suit king, 9 tricks will be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Good question you made limit bid p makes limit bid but I would think p is saying d you think we can run clubs, have decent suit, 6, are your other stops good, any suit bid from you says can you hel but mplies you can stand 4c, any suit bid from you below 3nt syas yes to your suit p bit what about this one, Little bird please note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 By the way drop the 2nt 11 points so you have no fourcad suits other than clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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