Fluffy Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sk2haqt9732dak94c&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1hp2c(nat%2C%20gf)p2dp4hp]133|200[/hv] 2♦ might not have worked best. Any plans now? would you be confident enough of what 6♣ should mean now? EDIT: In our system 4♥ is weak balanced (12-13, could have 4♣), 2♥ and 3♥ would catter for stronger holdings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Probably don't need exclusion since 4♥ should deny spade ace already? If it doesn't it seems you need better agreements IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah, seems easy. Partner can't have the spade Ace, rihht? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 As a related aside, this auction brings up a neat principle, though. There actually is space for Exclusion in many of these sequences . A good agreement is that any Exclusion bid in a suit your partner already denied the Ace of is switched to the most expensive alternative Exclusion suit. On this auction, if 4S for you is normally Exclusion for spades, it converts logically to Exclusion for clubs. Why? It would first convert to diamonds, but that also has been eliminated. Of course, the conversion here is pointless, because you end up with a series of conversions ending up with a more complicated stupid question, but it is possible that you benefit from the principle on a different day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 6♥. I don't know if p has denied ♠A but otherwise we could have a diamond loser. Do you play this as a picture bid? 3325 is his most likely shape. If he has ♥8 (or ♥6 if ♥8 is singleton) we can ruff two diamonds and discard a spade on ♣A. Otherwise maybe he has ♠Q, or ♣AK. So 6♥ seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Probably don't need exclusion since 4♥ should deny spade ace already? If it doesn't it seems you need better agreements IMO. This is beyond my understanding, can you please elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 This is beyond my understanding, can you please elaborate? In 2/1, a jump to 4M denies any controls outside of trumps or responder's first suit, so they can't have the ♠A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 ah yeah, that picture thing. It was never introduced in my country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 After the edit, there are so many unknowns that it is hard to assess what to do next. But, one obvious contender is a 4♠ call, if that is a cue. This has a beautiful end result. Partner now should know that you have a spade control and slam interest opposite a balanced minimum. If he has the spade Ace (when 7 makes sense) and the heart King, he surely will move forward. He cannot have the club Ace and King to have those cards. So, when he has the golden ticket, like a short diamond, the club Ace, or such, he will make noise. Maybe he takes over, and then asks with 5NT, where you just blast 7. Maybe he cues 5♦, which would be huge contextually. Maybe he cues 5♣, you cue 5♦, and he continues. Many of these routes lead to Rome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 First, I would have strongly considered opening this with a strong 2 ♣ bid. The hand has only 3 LTC losers and is odds on to make 4 ♥ if partner has one useful feature (something like ♦ doubleton might be enough). Assuming that 4 ♥ doesn't deny anything and cues can be any control, I'd continue with a 4 ♠ bid showing a ♠ control and see what partner does. Over 5 ♣, I'll bid 5 ♦ and hope partner can figure out how to proceed. It certainly points to the importance of ♥ K and ♠ A if partner holds either of those cards. If partner uses a BW variant, I'd probably just bid 5 ♠-- 2 and the queen. Hopefully, partner wouldn't use it with just 1 key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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