mgoetze Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=sakqj8765hqdqc842&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=2h3d4h?]133|200[/hv] What's your best shot at figuring out how many losers partner can cover? Or are you just blasting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 4s Too bad we have the dia Q since that means the odds p will respond 5h have shot up dramatically so 4n is useless w/o partnership agreement that 5s is natural and to play and 5N (over 5h) would ask for extras. Bidding 4s should show a pretty darn decent and long spade suit maybe p has enough "stuff" to invite us to slam so the door is still open. If we opt to just blast we might get lucky but there is no going back. That means 4s gives us 2 ways to win vs blasting to 6 only 1. Cuebidding 5h is little better than blasting to 6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Opposite my father I couldn't bid 5♠ since it would ask for a heart control. But with others I think it might work. Then there is some who would try 4NT for minors and then bid 5♠. So it all depends on partner. About wanting to play strong jump shifts. The answer is no, because I have no clue about follow ups. Although I now play them on positions where I play NFB. But surprisingly they have shown only once in 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Bidding 4s should show a pretty darn decent and long spade suitIf by "pretty darn decent and long" you mean something like AKJTx, then I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 4 ♠ Yes, you could have slam. But you could possibly be down 1 in 4 ♠ also (x x AKJxxxx KJxx with ♣ honors offside, doubleton ♣ in weak 2 bidder's hand). All you can do is bid your most probable plus at this point. If partner can carry on, maybe you'll be able to find slam. If not and it's there, c'est la vie. Preempts do work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I play strong jump shifts, but surely this would be fit for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Alright, it seems the majority of the respondents want to bid 4♠. Opps have had their say, but partner bids 5♣. What's partner showing and what do you do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Alright, it seems the majority of the respondents want to bid 4♠. Opps have had their say, but partner bids 5♣. What's partner showing and what do you do now? Don't know, and 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Partner's bid is natural. We are not showing an 8-card suit so with a 0265-shape he is allowed to take it out. If it is our style always to bid 4nt with that shape then maybe he is 0274. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yeah, I was semi-joking about not knowing what he had. But assuming it's natural, at these colours he must be serious given (from his perspective) the misfit, and we've got heaps of strength to spare, so whether it's nat or a cue, we want to bid 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I would 4N followed by 5!s. This shows a heart control, great spades and invites 6. I want partner going with primes and hopefully he appreciates the value of AK + A. 2nd choice is just to blast. It's pretty close but your opponents won't rescue when they are looking at top tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Partner's bid is natural. We are not showing an 8-card suit so with a 0265-shape he is allowed to take it out. If it is our style always to bid 4nt with that shape then maybe he is 0274.So you dismiss a xx55 hand completely because it is obvious to you that such a hand must bid 4NT ... but doesn't that require more strength than 3♦? Or must partner, with a weak (or rather, not strong enough to force to the 5-level alone) xx55 hand, always pass 4♠ no matter how bad his spades are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 So you dismiss a xx55 hand completely because it is obvious to you that such a hand must bid 4NT No, I said "if it is our style". I don't think it should be. Just saying that even if it is, 4♣ is still natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajfonty Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'm not seeing the optimism here. I'd bid 4♠. Our hand is great but not extraordinary. If partner then bids 5♣, I bid 5♠. Let partner look at her hand, count her aces, assume I have ♠A, and do the work from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'm not seeing the optimism here. I'd bid 4♠. Our hand is great but not extraordinary. If partner then bids 5♣, I bid 5♠. Let partner look at her hand, count her aces, assume I have ♠A, and do the work from there. 4♠ does not promise eight rock solid playing tricks (or two second-round controls, or a trump suit worthy of grand opposite a void), nor does following it with 5♠. Partner can't play you for a hand nearly this good if you don't give any encouragement. You'd have bid the same way if your top two spades were pips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 5S says "I am too strong to bid 4S and not strong enough to bid 6S." With that being said, I'd just bid 4S. My hand is not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 5♣ is natural and "weak" since partner didn't bid 4NT previous round. 5♠ is plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all loomis Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=sakqj8765hqdqc842&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=2h3d4h?]133|200[/hv] What's your best shot at figuring out how many losers partner can cover? Or are you just blasting? 4 s is probably the right spot, as a practical bid. some hands are just too hard, and this is one, for me. anything from 10 to 13 tricks possible, so take the money with a sour smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perko90 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 5S says "I am too strong to bid 4S and not strong enough to bid 6S." With that being said, I'd just bid 4S. My hand is not that good. Yeah, agree with this meaning for the 1st action. And I would choose to use it. 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Opposite my father I couldn't bid 5♠ since it would ask for a heart control. But with others I think it might work. Then there is some who would try 4NT for minors and then bid 5♠. So it all depends on partner. About wanting to play strong jump shifts. The answer is no, because I have no clue about follow ups. Although I now play them on positions where I play NFB. But surprisingly they have shown only once in 3 years. I have played Soloway strong jump shifts for many years, and they are a great slam tool - both reaching slam and staying out of poor ones. The followups are quite clearly defined. I am sure you could find a write-up, and I'd strongly recommend giving them a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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