the_dude Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Playing with a very occasional partner, we had a dispute over the 'expert-standard' understanding of the following auction: [hv=pc=n&s=sthkj9872dkq2ckq2&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1spp2h2sdp]133|200[/hv] Granted the 2H may not have been best, but considering the auction, is X penalty or competitive or takeout? What would you call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 For me it's clear cut penalties with a lot of spades, I have a lot more than I might have done. If partner has a hand that wants to make a ToX opposite what could easily be a much worse hand than you have, then he should have taken action over 1♠. Easy pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I prefer takeout but standard is penalty. Last time this sequence came up on this forum, most voted for penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 What's wrong with 2H? Looks pretty automatic to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 What do you mean, Mark? I didn't see anyone criticizing the 2♥ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 What do you mean, Mark? I didn't see anyone criticizing the 2♥ bid. The OP did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 The OP did. This may be Resulting, but an intermediate 3H bid would have made life alot easier on this hand... If you start with 2H (as I did) how would you get to 4H? [hv=pc=n&s=sthkj9872dkq2ckq2&n=sk865ht3dajt3ca43&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1spp2h2sdp2np3nppp]266|200[/hv] Our sorry auction: 2H: as I said, 3H would have worked better, but 2H seems reasonable X: partner meant this as penalty, which looks terrible, but I appreciate his problem. Perhaps X is the best bad option. 2NT: I wasn't sure about X... I like to play it as competitive, but with this partner I didn't know. Not wanting to risk 670, I bid 2NT as a pick a place to play bid, intending to bid 3H over 3m. 3NT: partner was pissed I didn't leave his double in (I have no idea why) so he put me in 3NT in a huff. Given he thought the penalty was obvious, I'm not sure if he could have recovered at this point. ***** Anyway, thanks again for the clarification all - I'm glad there's something of a consensus out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I can not imagine playing dble as penalty with the hand that hit 2S. I also do not feel a penalty dble is the best treatment in this position.Responder holds a reasonable hand, what other bid than dble suggests a good hand? Maybe raising H was another option, not clear to me you want to raise to game however. So what is the guy supposed to do? If his RHO had passed loks to be a 2!S bid to me, even though you are short a trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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