diana_eva Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 All white, IMPs, team match on BBO: [hv=pc=n&s=SKQ8HKJT2DJ62C732&d=w&v=o&a=P1S4D?]133|200[/hv] Maybe I had a brain dead moment here, but... what would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 4♠ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Hm, does 4♥ promise a spade fit and ask for a heart lead against their 5♦ sac? I guess not since we're an unpassed hand, so that leaves me with no other option but 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Aren't you leading against 5D? Anyway, I'm bidding 4S as well, I'm too weak to handle all the bad things that can happen after a (TO)X of 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 4♠ maybe it makes, maybe they take a phantom sac in 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 4 ♠, supporting with support. Despite the square distribution, you certainly have a decent raise closer to a 2 1/2 raise where you'd jump raise after a forcing NT than a direct simple 2 ♠ raise. If double is penalty, you can't know if partner has any ♦. Also, with ♠ honors, you defensive potential is reduced because it isn't likely you'll take many ♠ tricks. Since you can't know if 4 ♦ can be beat, you shouldn't double lest you give away a game swing. If a double is negative, there's a problem if partner bids ♣s. You have to guess whether to sit and find partner with 4 ♣, or, bid 5 ♠ and find you're 1 level too high. Even if partner has 4 ♥s, there's no guarantee it will play better than 4 ♠. If you pass, partner may find it difficult to reopen. If partner does reopen with a double, you're back to same problem as with a direct penalty double. If partner doesn't have a hand to double, the hand will probably be passed out unless partner has some very distributional hand. 4 ♠ may make with a lot of hands where partner can't reopen. So passing risks giving away a ♠ game swing on a decent number of hands. So 4 ♠ is the right bid any time it makes. If it goes down, you certainly have a game good explanation in the post mortem -- you had a tough decision and pushed a little to avoid losing a potential game swing. As someone suggested, by making an immediate game raise, you may push to opponents into a phantom sac that you can now double because the worry of creating a game swing has been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted September 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Thanks all. I passed and hoped partner will reopen with X which I would then pass. Except partner didn't reopen and we lost game. Other table bid and made 4♠. Not sure why I felt so strongly pass and punish was right. It would have been, they went down 3 in 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Preempts work sometimes. here it forces us into a slight 4s overbid. If p is short in dia 4s should be just fine (barring a really bad trump split. It would seem like x would be a good idea but it runs the risk of us bypassing 4s and ending up in 5c so too much risk when game is the limit unless p has significant extra values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Pass and punish seems strange to me but I can understand pass and bid 4♠ if partner reopens. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I wouldn't feel guilty about passing this hand. Unrealistic to expect partner to reopen with a double. Especially if you had a minor break in tempo. Most would rebid 4♠ rather than pass for penalties.If RHO had bid 3♦, you would have a clear 3♠ call. Would partner go to 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Maybe it's time for negative doubles to only apply after a minor suit opening. Then after major suit opening the double should show this type of hand. Opener should never rebid 5♣ unless he has lots of shape. We want to compete to 4♠, but not 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Versus sound preempts, 4♠ is much better than pass or double since partner is likely to be short in diamonds thus nothing is wasted.Less so if they preempt aggressively but I'm still bidding 4♠. You don't really have much to gain with a double here, since your diamonds are a bit too long so very unlikely for pard to pass for penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Thanks all. I passed and hoped partner will reopen with X which I would then pass. Except partner didn't reopen and we lost game. Other table bid and made 4♠. Not sure why I felt so strongly pass and punish was right. It would have been, they went down 3 in 4♦.What tricks did you think you were taking in diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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