lycier Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (ZT) 如果规则对出牌姿态、位置摆放、推盘操作等不做严格规定,不合法信息(UI)将永存。(ZT) 此类丑行横行桥坛多年,EBL等(包括CCBA)对此视若无睹,WBF一直睁眼闭眼,他们有不可推卸的责任。 如此锋利,如此深透,实属罕见,我看了那么多的老外发言,鲜有涉及,所以我为这位中国人的极富睿智的见解而骄傲。真想转告并质问世界桥联! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (ZT) BZ组合搭档多年,是波兰桥牌的标志性人物,号称百万美元组合,大概是指要请动他们需要花上百万美元。现在这对百万组合也陷入麻烦,幸好波兰没有退赛,只是BZ退赛,来不及再找替补,波兰只能靠四人打完整个世锦赛。保加利亚的事情还没有定论,本届百慕大赛到底会变得怎样,现在谁也说不清楚。boye到底想干嘛? 欧洲桥牌这次算是跌了个大跟头,桥牌这项游戏严重蒙羞,幸好还有麦罗。从整个桥牌历史来看,美国牌手相对算是比较干净的。从里斯开始算起,都是美国牌手在发难,落马的都是欧洲牌手。麦罗成名三十多年,经历了最严苛的检验,但我真的没有听到过关于麦罗的传闻。海海也曾经遭到过挪威桥协的禁赛,不过海海的事情有些不一样,那应该算是协议之类的问题,虽然不光彩,毕竟和使用暗号还是有区别。相比这些牌手,我是不是能说海海还算干净的。 如果说多支队伍退赛使得中国队遇到最好的时机,我觉得这更像是一种讽刺。说句不好听的,事情虽然暂时没有延烧到中国,暂时没有涉及到中国牌手,但是,如果说中国牌手个个都是道德楷模,恐怕也没有多少人信。中国牌手在本次世锦赛中的成绩如何,我现在反而觉得是次要问题。国内比赛中也有一些传闻,如果今后这些传闻都能够彻底消失,我觉得这比中国队拿百慕大杯更有意义。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2200 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (ZT) BZ组合搭档多年,是波兰桥牌的标志性人物,号称百万美元组合,大概是指要请动他们需要花上百万美元。现在这对百万组合也陷入麻烦,幸好波兰没有退赛,只是BZ退赛,来不及再找替补,波兰只能靠四人打完整个世锦赛。保加利亚的事情还没有定论,本届百慕大赛到底会变得怎样,现在谁也说不清楚。boye到底想干嘛? 欧洲桥牌这次算是跌了个大跟头,桥牌这项游戏严重蒙羞,幸好还有麦罗。从整个桥牌历史来看,美国牌手相对算是比较干净的。从里斯开始算起,都是美国牌手在发难,落马的都是欧洲牌手。麦罗成名三十多年,经历了最严苛的检验,但我真的没有听到过关于麦罗的传闻。海海也曾经遭到过挪威桥协的禁赛,不过海海的事情有些不一样,那应该算是协议之类的问题,虽然不光彩,毕竟和使用暗号还是有区别。相比这些牌手,我是不是能说海海还算干净的。 如果说多支队伍退赛使得中国队遇到最好的时机,我觉得这更像是一种讽刺。说句不好听的,事情虽然暂时没有延烧到中国,暂时没有涉及到中国牌手,但是,如果说中国牌手个个都是道德楷模,恐怕也没有多少人信。中国牌手在本次世锦赛中的成绩如何,我现在反而觉得是次要问题。国内比赛中也有一些传闻,如果今后这些传闻都能够彻底消失,我觉得这比中国队拿百慕大杯更有意义。 Meckwell和海小胖都因为“举止不端”被小罚过。Meckwell曾经同时出现在洗手间里(不应该的,牌没打完),海格莫在挪威地区联赛中,队友私自与对手协议最后2轮不打了,就算对方赢(可能因为海的队已经出线,日程排不过来),海同意了(相当于放水了两场没打的比赛),因为这个一度可能被挪威桥协禁赛国家队。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (ZT)BZ组合搭档多年,是波兰桥牌的标志性人物,号称百万美元组合,大概是指要请动他们需要花上百万美元。现在这对百万组合也陷入麻烦,幸好波兰没有退赛,只是BZ退赛,来不及再找替补,波兰只能靠四人打完整个世锦赛。 在bbo论坛,对此窃窃私议,也是颇有所闻,我也是看一下热闹而已。这里就给大家举个例子吧: Balicki-Zmudzinski have apparently been tossed by the WBF credentials committee for unknown reasons. It would be pretty sad if they turned out to be cheaters; I've never met them but always had some level of sympathy because they were one of the pairs to suffer from the ACBL's ban on unwanted bidding systems in international bridge. 这是一位德国桥牌专家,媳妇可能仍在山东济南工作,看看他的具有代表性的议论吧。译文如下: Balicki-Zmudzinski 由于未知原因,很明显被WBF资格审查委员会给甩了出去,如果最终结果被证明是作弊者,这可是让人难过的事情。我从未遇见过他们,只是一直有些同情他们,毕竟在国际桥牌上,他们也是一对由于令人生疑的叫牌体系而遭到美国桥协禁止的其中之一的牌手。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (ZT)boye到底想干嘛? 当然,很多人一定会视Boye为现代桥牌最伟大的人物了,尽管这种伟大部分出自意外,他承担着勇敢,痴情和无情的角色。我是担心:弄不好,结局会偃旗息鼓,WBF也许会部分息事宁人,未必都能作出期望中的正确的事情。恐怕这位ZT先生,打出重拳多落空,如何惨淡唯己知。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 EBL、IBPA新闻发布会 http://wbchampbulletin.org/press-room-conference/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2200 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 在bbo论坛,对此窃窃私议,也是颇有所闻,我也是看一下热闹而已。这里就给大家举个例子吧: 这是一位德国桥牌专家,媳妇可能仍在山东济南工作,看看他的具有代表性的议论吧。译文如下: Balicki-Zmudzinski 由于未知原因,很明显被WBF资格审查委员会给甩了出去,如果最终结果被证明是作弊者,这可是让人难过的事情。我从未遇见过他们,只是一直有些同情他们,毕竟在国际桥牌上,他们也是一对由于令人生疑的叫牌体系而遭到美国桥协禁止的其中之一的牌手。“令人生疑”翻译不妥,实际上就是弱开叫体系。波兰人60年代发明后,如今在B-Z手里弱开叫已经很完善了,但这个体系毕竟太剑走偏锋,从而因为政治原因遭大多数牌手强烈抵制,另外从公平竞赛角度它也有值得被禁的理由——只有你们熟,我们不熟。所以从这个角度,ACBL禁了弱开叫,完全合情合理——大部分付费客户牌手根本不知道这是什么,怎么对付,这既阻碍了他们取得好成绩,更让人感受不到打牌乐趣,不如一禁了之。WBF也对弱开叫作了严格限制,以前大赛,B-Z出战时被要求不得完全用他们的整套弱开体系,必须部分开放,而且波兰队永远没有选座权,对手优先挑谁去碰B-Z。B-Z对掌控WBF的ACBL代表Wolff很怒,骂他为懦夫。 中国在80年代出于猎奇心理也试过一段时间弱开叫,因为精确在中国太流行,所以其实就是把强1C开叫改成pass,于国明老在《桥牌》杂志上写过一篇文章,回忆过当时他与打弱开的潘-张交手的情形,交手前他们对弱开叫完全一无所知,所以只约了几个大原则就上场了。事后发现,其实弱开叫......没那么可怕,打弱开的自己也有好多问题待解决。也许因为这个原因,弱开在中国就没人玩了。世界上更是如此,因为大伙发现,取得好成绩最重要的因素,仍是个人技术水平、搭档默契程度、对体系彼此掌握的熟练程度、以及战斗经验,至于手里是什么秘密武器,这个并不重要。何况弱开叫现实中先天有缺陷——你打这个,那么大赛上各种限制针对的一定就是你,让你束手束脚,有秘密武器也没多大用。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 "令人生疑"翻译不妥,实际上就是弱开叫体系。波兰人60年代发明后,如今在B-Z手里弱开叫已经很完善了,但这个体系毕竟太剑走偏锋,从而因为政治原因遭大多数牌手强烈抵制,另外从公平竞赛角度它也有值得被禁的理由——只有你们熟,我们不熟。...... 极好的补充性评论,让读者从中更深入地了解事情的原委。我是非常欢喜地接受,谢谢。写得太好了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (ZT)如果规则对出牌姿态、位置摆放、推盘操作等不做严格规定,不合法信息(UI)将永存。针对如何防范常见的作弊现象,我心理一直在想:如果在比赛现场丢弃牌桌,把东西南北四家牌手分为四个牌室,而且每个牌室都有自己单独的厕所,即所有的南家牌手都在南面的牌室,以此类推,然后使用平板电脑操作比赛,那么什么"顿足",什么"捶胸",什么"咳嗽"以及上厕所相遇的问题,岂不统统解决了?而且还大大降低了比赛成本和牌手的经济负担。这样的规则,不好吗?请大家聊聊。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 回复#34的帖子 电子牌桌可以根除牌桌上的作弊行为。 (ZT)与这件事一起发展的,当然是众多关于桥牌竞技电子化的建议和设想,其中,以年近80高龄的一代传奇Bob Hamman所领衔的世界桥牌产业组织(WBP)近日宣布,他们将出资20000美元赞助在桥牌比赛中使用电子设备。WBP建议,在北美大赛的National比赛中,淘汰赛进入16强后、Reisinger进入第二天后,所有参赛牌手都使用iPad进行比赛,这些设备将由WBP提供。这会不会是桥牌竞技未来发展的方向?一时众说纷纭,没有结论。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2200 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 4人4房间,1人1个ipad,完全不现实,最简单的原因就是——钱。 首先是ACBL各小俱乐部就承受不起,那些小俱乐部都是老头老太天天消磨时间的聚会场所,而且场租就那么些,能维持下去已经很不容易了。而且老头老太才是支撑ACBL桥牌的主力。其次,在这些俱乐部承办的各地区预选赛,也不可能这么来,组织工作有大量不方便之处。即使到了大赛,初赛阶段那么多队,每次范德比、斯苹果种子都到5、60号,怎可能每桌都分4间房打?那ACBL得把整个四季酒店包下来了,且不说根本没那么多钱,酒店其实很讨厌做桥牌比赛的生意——必然要折扣,且牌手脾气大都很差,又只是来打牌的,很少其他消费。所以充其量,最多只能在大赛争冠阶段,比如半决赛起,开始用ipad分房法。 但我估计,这还是会遭到牌手强烈反对,因为ipad拿走了牌手最重要的一个东西——桌感(table presence)。就是桌边进入气场时那种感觉,对手拔牌节奏的细微变化,情绪,甚至表情,都可能影响你猜断,现在你全拿走,那让牌手玩什么? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 我得到关于波兰牌手Balicki-Zmudzinski 作弊的证据,有视频和截图,打算公之于众,但需要更多的专家研究和解读,指出作弊的代码。我心里也有点矛盾,不知道是否更多地参与。听听大家的想法吧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kael chi Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 无需翻墙!Fantoni-Nunes 作弊视频主角介绍: Fantoni-Nunes 是世界桥牌联合会大师分排名第一第二的巨星牌手。他们曾经赢得的冠军头衔包括: 百慕大杯 2005世界桥牌奥林匹克队式赛 2004世界智力运动会(公开组) 2008世界公开赛双人赛 2002世界锦标赛跨国团体赛 2007斯平果尔德杯 2011,2012欧洲锦标赛公开团体赛 2004, 2006欧洲冠军杯公开团体赛 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009 传送门:http://bbs.7ntxx-13....&extra=page%3D1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 WBF官方表态: 1、WBF: Cheaters will be thrown out2、STATEMENT BY THE WORLD BRIDGE FEDERATION3、In re Collusive cheating and the World Bridge Federation http://www.worldbridge.org/repository/tourn/chennai.15/Microsite/bulletins/Bul_14.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 欢迎楼主光临华人论坛。关于作弊这类事情尽管非常丑恶,但仍需要WBF最终的正式裁决,裁定后的证据才是最有力的。这种事情很复杂,我也很无奈,我持不鼓励态度的:因为你中国人很喜爱拿此类问题报道,那么我担心其他国家的老外拿中国牌手的作弊说话---比如在bridgewinners网址上也有不少关于中国人作弊的事情,那要是跑到我们论坛上刊登,我将很难处理的。我请求大家克制点吧,最欢迎的是桥牌的一般性问题和bbo桥牌的特殊问题,因为整个bbo论坛也是围绕这两个中心点展开的,是不同于一般的论坛和公共bbs信息平台的,您看看我们的版面,就知道我们论坛就是这个吃素特点的。我担心很多,恳求大家就别难为我了,多说说桥牌技术性问题,让大家得到牌技提升,善莫大焉。谢谢。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 回复#37的帖子 Fantoni-Nunes 作弊视频已经公开,Balicki-Zmudzinski 作弊视频也应公开。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 回复#37的帖子 Fantoni-Nunes 作弊视频已经公开,Balicki-Zmudzinski 作弊视频也应公开。 可以,我可以把握掌握的由知名专家提供的证据和研究资料都给你。三道视频都是来自youtube,一份研究视频得到的证据截图,内容较多,篇幅较大。你需要团队的支持,你自己不可能有所作为的,希望专家们可以依此视频寻找和发现更多的作弊密码。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 2015世界桥牌作弊丑闻继续升温 世界桥联主席罗纳11月5日在官网发表声明,继续就作弊事件表达了世界桥联不能容忍,但仍然不允许个人对怀疑对象进行调查和发布信息的决定。与此同时,ACBL于10月30日宣布暂停了Fisher/Schwartz、Fantoni/Nunes的会员资格,他们必须通过ACBL组成的道德监督委员会的听证会,才能重新获得合法的会员资格。…… http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_53c5424f0102w1xe.htmlhttp://www.worldbridge.org/home.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 最近BBO论坛热议的话题是有关波兰牌手Balicki-Zmudzinski 作弊的牌面。 滑稽的B-Z重估值牌面:Funny hand from B-Z reevaluating. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&linurl=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/vugraph_linfetch.php?id=34209]600|450[/hv](注意:用鼠标点击任意一付牌面,就可以看到具体每一步打牌过程。如果你懂英文就可以借助这付牌浏览所有的牌面。) 注意第19付牌。他们的理论是:没空间=低限,大空间=有额外估值。 现场视屏链接: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 这是加拿大专家前教练:Glen Ashton提供的视频链接: 这是西班牙星星fluffy提供的视频链接: 依据该视频的一份截图研究资料,因篇幅较大且不适于在论坛刊出,抱歉。 (使用百度浏览器,在我的应用里加装3366go插件就可以打开观看了) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 这是呈送WBF一份资料: [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&linurl=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/vugraph_linfetch.php?id=34185]600|450[/hv] (注意:用鼠标点击任意一付牌面,就可以看到具体每一步打牌过程。如果你懂英文就可以借助这付牌浏览所有的牌面。操作技巧不难。) 视频链接: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 我就知道这些了,你们自己研究吧。这个002012真执着。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted November 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 回复#46的帖子不是我真执着,而是事情远没有结束。 Fantoni-Nunes 作弊视频:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTM2MTM5NjUwNA==.html?from=y1.7-1.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 WBF President: Cheaters face harsh punishment Ever since the bridge world was rocked threemonths ago by Boye Brogeland’s accusation that twoof his teammates in winning efforts had been cheating,World Bridge Federation President Gianarrigo Ronahas been in the vortex of the scandal and all thatfollowed.The fallout has included new attention to bridgein the media, especially in Italy, where Rona lives.In Denver, two magazines – Vanity Fair and RollingStone – had reporters working on articles about bridge.Rona met with a Rolling Stone reporter on Tuesday.There have been questions about the WBF’scommitment to ridding the game of cheaters, but Ronasays the issue was on his agenda from the momenthe became WBF president in late 2010. One of hisfirst acts as president, he says, was to institute adisciplinary code and a method of adjudicating cases.He has also been working to amend WBF regulationsto enhance the organization’s power to deal withany other bridge entity – including national bridgeorganizations – that fails to take action where it’swarranted. “We needthe support of thefederations,” Ronasays. “If they don’tact against cheaters,we can act againstthem.”As part of theWBF’s plan toaddress the issueof cheating, Ronatravelled to Denverto meet withACBL officials andmembers of a committee of high-level players whosejob it is to screen reports of unethical behavior with aneye to prosecuting those considered serious enough towarrant suspension.For convicted cheaters, the first offense will resultin a 10-year suspension. A lifetime ban will be thepunishment for a second conviction.As of Jan. 1, there will be an email address onthe WBF website (worldbridge.org) for interestedparties to report possible violations. Accusers willhave to provide details, but only the high-level playerscommittee will see such reports. The identities of thosewho make reports will remain confidential.Some reports and complaints may be discarded,Rona said, but those considered serious or potentiallyserious will be kept and maintained in archives on theplayers whose ethics have been questioned.Additionally, Rona said, security at tournamentswill be increased in much the same way as the ACBLdoes with video recording of high-level events.At the 2016 World Bridge Games in Wroclaw,Poland, next year, all tables in the knockout phases ofthe teams events will have cameras and other methodsof monitoring play. For the next Bermuda Bowl, in2017, all tables in all stages of competition will havesuch monitoring.It’s a big job but necessary to preserve theintegrity of the game, Rona said. “Bridge is a game ofrules,” he said. “If you don’t follow the rules, you’reout.”Rona says a lot of what has been circulated aboutthe game in the wake of the scandal has been littlemore than gossip. He is committed to assuring a fairprocess – one that gives the accused the chance todefend themselves.Ever the bridge promoter, Rona has taken theopportunity while answering questions about cheatingto extol the virtues of the game, especially for youngpeople. “I hope the reporters will write about bridge asit really is,” he says.Young players, he notes, “have friendship, learncommunication and social skills and working withothers, and they learn how to make decisions quickly.”That, he says, is why unethical play is such a scourge.“If you cheat,” he says, “all these things are trash. Youcannot enjoy the game if you cheat.”Although the main purpose of Rona’s trip toDenver was to talk about the fight against cheaters,he also took time to promote the next worldchampionship – the World Bridge Games in Wroclaw,Poland, next September. There will be four categoriesof teams – open, women’s, seniors and mixed.All players must be from the same national bridgeorganization (e.g., United States Bridge Federationor Canadian Bridge Federation), but each may senda team for each of the categories. The schedule willinclude pairs games in each of the four divisions withno limit on the number of pairs from each NBO.Wroclaw is easy to get to from major cities inGermany or from Warsaw.Rona says he is also hoping for a good turnoutfrom various nations for the World Youth TeamsChampionships in Salsomaggiore, Italy, Aug. 3-13next year.For information about both tournaments, visitworldbridge.org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 敬爱的002012,您辛苦了。你的认真很让我感动,你也是奇迹了,在论坛上只有100多个发帖经验的你,却能抓住焦点,引发了近50个的总跟帖,了不起。回#48,我是弄不清楚WBF多次反复扬言要对作弊者严惩不贷,时至今日毕竟尚未断定最后结果,Rona是在敲山震虎还是即将要敲山杀虎呢?让我们慢慢等待吧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 现在很高兴地告诉大家,BBO刚刚最新公布,针对日益疯狂的作弊事件,Fred发明了一套防作弊装置,名叫:Bridge Base Online Hybrid,简称:BBOH http://i67.tinypic.com/11ui6gy.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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