002012 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 有人爆料，第42届世锦赛期间登录WBF官网，Fantoni还是道德和纪律委员会成员（照片）。现在登录，Fantoni已经被悄悄除名了。 地球人都知道家丑不可外扬呀，哈哈哈！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 有人爆料，第42届世锦赛期间登录WBF官网，Fantoni还是道德和纪律委员会成员（照片）。现在登录，Fantoni已经被悄悄除名了。 地球人都知道家丑不可外扬呀，哈哈哈！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 有人爆料，第42届世锦赛期间登录WBF官网，Fantoni还是道德和纪律委员会成员（照片）。现在登录，Fantoni已经被悄悄除名了。 地球人都知道家丑不可外扬呀，哈哈哈！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 有人爆料，第42届世锦赛期间登录WBF官网，Fantoni还是道德和纪律委员会成员（照片）。现在登录，Fantoni已经被悄悄除名了。 地球人都知道家丑不可外扬呀，哈哈哈！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 发帖出问题了？点一下上来5个，重复的删了吧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 发帖出问题了？点一下上来5个，重复的删了吧。 不删除了，也不是故意的，网络不好，登录bbo很吃力了，网络延迟非常明显，前几天我也和你一样发了重复的帖子，以后咱们不必在发帖说明，都知道咋回事情了。你遇到的我都遇到了，你发生我都发生了，当然理解了。没关系的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 这回如果要是采用Ipad作为打牌工具，有人戏称，这是不是要返回到"脚步"信号的时代了。哈... http://i64.tinypic.com/2j0o65v.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 BBO主席Fred在每年一度的新年寄语里，也打破了惯例。以前每年都是重点介绍BBO软件情况，今年不提及，而是重点回顾了极不平凡的2015年最重要的大事件- -挪威超级明星Boye Brogeland提议的作弊指控案，对在BBO线上作弊及其在2016年所要采取的措施和鉴定都做了全面细致的介绍。 全文如下： 2015 - Year of the C-word The world of bridge tends to change very slowly, but 2015 will surely be remembered as a truly momentous year in the history of our game. In August, Norwegian superstar Boye Brogeland came forward with allegations that Lotan Fisher and Ron Schwartz, a young Israeli pair who had won several major events during the past few years, were cheating. Naturally Boye presented evidence to back up his claim and, in the months to follow, further evidence surfaced. But the Fisher-Schwartz partnership was only the first domino to fall. Soon thereafter similar allegations were made against the world's top-ranking partnership, Fulvio Fantoni and Claudio Nunes of Monaco, German champions Josef Piekarek and Alex Smirnoff, and Cezary Balicki and Adam Zmudzinski of Poland (who have been winning major titles as a pair for over 30 years). At this point in time only Piekarek and Smirnoff have confessed to their guilt (to their credit I suppose). Official investigations of the other 3 accused pairs are ongoing and it is difficult to predict where they might lead. For whatever its worth, my sense is that the vast majority of the world's leading players find the evidence against all of those accused to be both clear and compelling. The implications of all of this are both shocking and tragic for bridge: the results of dozens of major national and world championships, possibly going back for decades, have been so irretrievably tainted that they have been rendered all but meaningless. Cheating scandals at the top of world bridge have been very few and far between (I recall only two others since I started playing bridge in the early 1980s). Nothing even remotely close to the events of 2015 has ever happened before. What has changed? One thing that has certainly changed is that a group of world class players, led by Boye, took the initiative to try to clean up the game they love. Rumors about all 4 of the accused pairs had been swirling around for years, but the relevant authorities either refused to investigate or were incapable of seeing the light. Boye decided that someone had to do something and he bravely took it upon himself to be that someone. But most likely Boye would not have got very far had it not been for relatively recent changes in technology. Only in the past few years have tournament organizers began to present video streams of their premier events on the Internet. Those videos, along with the bidding and play records produced by BBO vugraph, were the primary sources of information used by Boye and company to crack the codes that were being used by the alleged cheating pairs. We play bridge because it is such a beautiful, stimulating, and enjoyable game and because of the many wonderful people we get to interact and compete with who feel the same way. The mere thought of desecrating our great game through cheating is so repugnant to most of us that the very concept is enough to make us feel sick. How is it possible that so many amazing bridge talents have apparently fallen from grace? Money likely had something to do with it. Nowadays the most successful professional players can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. Their jobs consist of travelling the world to high-level tournaments often in luxurious style. Some work no more than a few months each year. Not a bad life if you ask me. However, as we unfortunately see on BBO, there has to be more to it than that. On BBO (and of course in live bridge clubs and tournaments) there is little if any money awarded to the winners yet people still cheat. Why is that? I can only assume that ego, status, and the quest for masterpoints are sufficient motivators for some of our fellow bridge players to act in a way that would be unthinkable to the rest of us. As I would like to go into 2016 on a more positive note, I will share some good news with you: 1) Contrary to popular opinion, it is very possible to identify those who cheat at online bridge. Our primary tools for identifying possible cheats are statistical in nature (Boye and company used similar techniques to help identify which pairs merited closer scrutiny).2) Such statistics strongly suggest that the percentage of BBO players who cheat is much smaller than you might think. 3) The penalties for those who are caught cheating on BBO, particularly in our ACBL games (where we have a responsibility to be extra vigilant) are severe. The ACBL is sent a detailed report about any of its members that are caught cheating on BBO. We would do the same for any other National Bridge Federations that were willing to award masterpoints on our site. 4) We certainly could do better in this area. I am hopeful that the cheating scandals of 2015 will help to inspire and motivate those who run and work for BBO (including me) to improve. 5) BBO offers various forms of online bridge in which it is either very difficult or completely impossible to cheat. Our software also includes facilities that make it easy for you to keep track of which BBO members are honest and pleasant and to avoid those who you find to be dishonest or rude. Please e-mail support@bridgebase.com if you want more information on how these things work. While I believe that Boye Brogeland's initiative was unfortunately necessary (due to the long term failure of administrators to adequately police our game), it should be said that his actions violated a cardinal rule for proper behavior at bridge: that public accusations of cheating are completely inappropriate. So please do not take my admiration and appreciation of Boye as a license to launch your own public anti-cheating campaign on BBO. If you think your opponents might be cheating, the only proper channel to go through is to e-mail abuse@bridgebase.com. We have highly-trained professionals on our staff that will investigate any cheating allegations on our site and take action if we find that the evidence leaves no doubt as to guilt (the bar is set this high in order to ensure that no innocent person is ever convicted). To the many thousands of honest and decent people who play and watch bridge on BBO, I hope you have a great 2016! To the small number of BBO members who cheat, please take a close look in the mirror - I don't think you will like what you see. Please make it your New Year's resolution to start playing our wonderful game with the honor and respect it deserves. Fred Gitelman, President Bridge Base Online, Ltd. PS We usually talk about upcoming software changes in our year end messages, but this time around we judged that it was more important to focus instead on the remarkable events of 2015. For the record, there are some big and exciting software changes coming in early 2016. Stick around - I think you will like what you see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 （ZT） 如何看待2015年8月开始的桥牌革命？ 这事情，本质上还是因为一个字：利。职业桥牌近年来在北美（ACBL地盘）愈发红火，主要就是欧洲（以及其他地方，比如福/赵这样的中国选手）牌手也加入了这块领地，90年代Nickell那支队横扫NABC，但现在就不行了，到处都是欧洲牌手加盟的职业队，你看ACBL公告，每次范德比、斯苹果的种子队名单，主力不是意大利人，就是瑞典、丹麦、法国、以色列......过去美国职业牌手很安稳，现在抢饭碗的来了，纷争自然就多了。而利这个东西，当然会逼着人剑走偏锋。桥牌组织，包括WBF和ACBL，还是乐见其成的，除了净化桥牌，更主要的是这回他们不必出面，而是牌手自行检举揭发，这样好省掉一大可能的诉讼费。这方面ACBL有过教训，70年代末他们处罚过一对作弊牌手，但被对方反过来起诉，要求赔偿百万美元，所以为了规避风险，桥牌组织处理这类事件时都很小心。这回事情主要牛逼在1.当事人地位太牛逼了，当世世界冠军、过去10年这个圈最牛的对之一，现在被爆作弊；2.以色列、意大利、德国.....第一块多米诺骨牌倒了之后，接二连三爆出来更多，还不知道接下来有没有接着爆料的；3.这件事情动静太大，接下来各职业队多半会来一次大洗牌...... 桥牌这个东西，反正作弊几十年一直有，从里斯的手指信号，到法基尼/朱凯利的踏板信号，一路到现在......其实哈曼他们连蓝队都怀疑可能作弊，对，就是老贝老葛那几位。 前几年,ACBL在范德比\斯苹果这样的大型队式淘汰赛初段,是不拉幕,只有16进8开始起才拉幕,但是!!!只有一对除外!!!这一对无论什么阶段都拉幕!!!这就是无声的语言,脸上刺着"有作弊嫌疑"的金印.谁?德高望重的劳利亚/范思哲！！！ 至于“电子牌”，我估计会受到一大波牌手的强烈反对，因为“桌感”对牌手是个很重要的因素，临场的气氛、节奏、对方微小的动作、表情，甚至都可能让你“感觉”到什么。现在玩电子，这些一撸到底，你让那些没了感觉的牌手怎么玩？不是有这个故事吗？克卜生（还是另一个牛人）打7S，摊下来发现根本没什么好打的，可旁观者们都不走！！！他们有什么好看的？克卜生就打了将牌4-1分，果然如此，这就叫桌感。你把桌感拿走了，那些“神奇”还玩得出来吗？这种桌感与场外非法信息是两回事，是完全合法的。里斯的书里提到这个例子：他有两门花色，一门是明手A109对暗手KQJ（即没有输张的），另一门是明手A109对着暗手KJx（即他有一个两面捉Q的猜断），定约成败就在于捉Q上，于是他测试了一下对手，出没输张的那门，暗手出J，假装要飞，对手“犹豫”了，于是他知道对手是有点道德问题的。现在出需要抓Q的那门J，没有犹豫，飞！Dorothy Hayden的书《bid better play better》里也记录过她一个靠“桌感”的例子，一个机会不是很好的6，将牌6-2，缺KJ9,短时间内她当然知道有什么百分比打法，但桌上她选择了概率最低的那个。为什么？因为其中一名对手看上去并不“垂头丧气”，相反很期待、很“跃跃欲试”的样子，说明他很有打宕的把握，所以就打他将牌持大。电子牌把这些全撸了，咱就看不到这些名著咧。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 敬爱的002012，我可变得越发敬爱你了，太可爱了你。" 如何看待2015年8月开始的桥牌革命？这事情，本质上还是因为一个字：利。"1- 请问：我可不可以理解为：谁动了你的奶酪？！并因而大发光火？2- 扪心自问： 桌感是否是公认的公平的桥牌竞技的组成部分？如果回答：是，那么您对了，我错了！如果回答：否，那么我对了，您错了，因为这就是水分！！！这就是浊水的水，还会是别的成份吗？鸡鸣狗盗似的技巧是破坏公平竞技的大敌，以"桌感"之类的左道旁门方式获取额外的非法信息有辱斯文！醒醒吧！桌感的引申意义都无碍公平性吗？3- 电子牌，究竟都是什么样的人物在反对？离了“桌感”，难道就像死了婆娘似的，全无斗志并因而难以为续，退出桥牌圈子，另起炉灶？岂有此理！就没听说过这世上离了谁，地球就不会转动了，真是有毛病呀。桥牌要想不断成熟壮大，那就必须变革！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted April 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 意大利体育法庭判处Fantoni-Nunes 3年禁赛 2016年4月6日，根据荷兰桥牌杂志《IMP》和意大利桥牌网站Neapolitan Club的报道，现在世界桥联大师分排名第一第二的摩纳哥牌手（原意大利牌手）Fulvio Fantoni-Claudio Nunes被意大利体育法庭判处3年禁赛以及终身不得作为桥牌搭档出现在桥牌赛场上的处罚。该判决是意大利体育法庭根据意大利奥委会的指导、结合桥牌运动的特点做出的，原本的检察官做出的是终身禁赛的判决，因为在绝大多数体育竞赛中，一旦出现作弊现象（比如服用兴奋剂）基本上都是终身禁赛，但考虑到桥牌运动生涯过长，因此做出了有限时间禁赛的判决。该判决随后被注明在意大利桥牌协会生效，而关于欧洲桥联（EBL）记录委员会的论证，将于今年5月15-16日在瑞士洛桑举行。Fantunes被允许在20天内对该判决提出上诉。4月10日，Fantoni-Nunes在《IMP》杂志和Neapolitan Club网站上宣布将对FIGB的判决书提出上诉。4月11日，FIGB（意大利桥牌协会）在官方网站上公布了关于Fantoni-Nunes案件长达14页的文本，文本中就F/N在2013年百慕大杯和2014年欧洲桥牌锦标赛中的表现进行了调查说明,可惜文本全部意大利文，暂时不能窥之全貌。4月12日，欧洲桥联纪律委员会宣布，更新了本次调查事件的听证会时间，分别是：5月4-5日，Fisher-Schwartz的案子；6月1-2日，Fantoni-Nunes的案子。听证会将在瑞士洛桑的EBL总部进行。 http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_53c5424f0102wdnj.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
002012 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 欧洲桥联判处Fisher-Schwartz 5年禁赛 2016年5月19日，BridgeWinners网站公布了欧洲桥联纪律委员会对以色列牌手Lotan Fisher/Ron Schwartz案件的判决：Fisher和Schwartz分别被禁止参加欧洲桥牌联合会（European Bridge League）所属比赛5年，同时禁止两人终身作为搭档在桥牌比赛中出现。他们还必须支付调查和起诉的费用。此项判决和决策的理由尚未公布，不过不会等待太长的时间。在完整的报告公布后上诉的周期将开始，该上诉将直接呈交到体育仲裁法庭（Court of Arbitration for Sport （CAS））。欧洲桥联纪律委员会于5月4日在瑞士洛桑的总部召开了Fisher/Schwartz事件的听证会，然后与5月16日做出了上述决定。 http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_53c5424f0102wfs0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 非常感谢002012为我们大家提供的期待信息，辛苦了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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