ATB Who should have done less?

[Hanoi5]

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3♥ might be too much and 4♥ could be better if the red king belonged to the heart suit. Who should have stopped?

[manudude03]

I suspect both North and South did too much to play 4H in a 5 card fit :ph34r:

 

Assuming it is the E/W bidding, 3H is too much for me, so West gets the blame. Having said that, you might still make it on a good day.

[rmnka447]

I can't fault the auction through 2 ♥ exactly what should be bid.

 

West has a 6 HCP point hand not counting any distribution.

 

The problem then is how to evaluate the singleton in ♠s, East's longest suit. If you give it full weight, you might just barely have enough for game opposite a max opener hand. The singleton might make it possible for partner to ruff out losers in ♠s. But it also means that partner is likely to have some wasted values in ♠s. The other issue is whether West can get enough pitches on East's ♠s to cover losers in East's side suits. 1-4-4-4 makes that more doubtful. So giving the stiff full distributional value seems quite a bit too optimistic.

 

Just as second check, do a LTC analysis. West has a 9 loser hand. A max opener after 1 ♠ - 1 NT - 2 ♥ is probably a 6 loser hand at best. That makes 15 losers total between the two hands versus a max 24 possible losers in any two hands. The difference 9 is the number of likely trick winners. So LTC you would make only 9 tricks (3 ♠) not good enough for game.

 

West should pass.

[kenrexford]

4H has play.

[WesleyC]

I would pass 2H as West.

[mike777]

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3♥ might be too much and 4♥ could be better if the red king belonged to the heart suit. Who should have stopped?

 

 

No blame...

 

 

good aggressive bidding vul

 

I would hope my partners bid this way

 

I suppose nitpickers will note east did not rebid 3h so west overbid

 

 

good problem.

[Zelandakh]

Are you all still passing 2♥ if the East hand looks like ♠AK654 ♥KQT73 ♦2 ♣K8? Or is the plan to rebid 3♥ on this? To my mind, East could be considerably more suitable than this.

 

What I would like to know is what the agreement was for the 1NT response. Without a system being given I would assume this is SA but clearly it is relevant if it could contain hands just below an opening. Given this assumption I am much more inclined to point the finger at East than West. And has been pointed out, 4♥ is not down yet. Finally, 1♠ - 1NT is an excellent auction for transfers on Opener's rebid. One advantage of doing this is that it takes pressure off on hands of this type. So we can also consider assigning some part of the blame to system even though that might seem strange when looking at standard methods.

[gszes]

MP

 

It is a clear loser in the long run to search for these "miracle" games when even the 3 level is iffy. You have a singleton in p long suit (a bad thing btw). PASS

 

 

IMPS

 

They pay a rather large bonus to bid vul games at IMPS and it seems justified to make a game try here that one would prefer to avoid at MP. Even that is conditional on how the partnership prefers to invite. If the partnership uses the "invite freely accept dearly method" (my favorite at IMPS) then this hand qualifies and east should realize they are not really all that close to a max for their previous bidding and pass. If the partnership uses the "invite dearly accept freely" method than east definitely has a 4h bid but w does not qualify for a 3h bid (though any partnership that that has a meta agreement to always stretch "for game" at IMPS should do so here and realize the extra risk they are taking).