shyams Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=skj75hkq97da73cj5&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1s4d]133|200| At MPs, RHO intervenes with a 4♦ preempt over your partner's opening. Now what? How high do you aspire to reach?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I was gonna make a raise but then I got high... 4♠ from me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 4S, might miss slam, but pre-empts sometimes work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I was gonna make a raise but then I got high... I couldn't get the tune out of my head. So I thought I'll use it in the title! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 "High" is a dated metaphore. Its time to Get Schwifty! I'm going to start with a negative double and see what happens next. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 4n I am a firm believer that this cannot be to play ---- some day I might have the right hand. The only logical meaning is rkc for spades so I opt for that. Neg x has some appeal but unless p is boring and min and wants to pass (that would be fine with me) we will lose a crucial insight concerning the spade Q if we wish to pursue slam. The 5 level rates to be safe given the bidding so slam exploration seems to be the way to go. If p can conjure up 2 aces and the trump Q (surely p will lie about ownership of the spade Q if they hold 7 spades right?)I am in 6 spades with less I will stop in 5s. If they have 3 and the trump Q I will hazard 7s <if they have the club K> 4n 5d (03) 5h 6c 7s figuring that just bidding a grand will be worth enough MP to make us happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 "High" is a dated metaphore. Its time to Get Schwifty! I'm going to start with a negative double and see what happens next. I'm not sure what to do next but a simple 4S doesn't seem enough with the first round control of diamonds and the superior trump support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 4 ♠ You're sort of stuck because the preempt has made it difficult to do anything but bid game. If you go past game to try for slam, there's no guarantee that 5 ♠ will be a safe resting place. It may make more often then not with possible hands that opener can hold. But any time you going off in 5 ♠, you're likely getting a bad result versus those in 4 ♠ making. If you bid 4 ♠, you're likely to get no worse than an AVG- on the board. So this may be a board to take near average or more and save trying for average plus or better on some other boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'll take the low road with 4♠ and I expect RHO to have a few cards for Red 4♦. On a bad day LHO is void and my ace♦ is quickly ruffed away. 4♠ doesn't bar PD from continuing if he has a good hand...ie in this case controls (aces) and a ♦ void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=skj75hkq97da73cj5&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1s4d]133|200| shyams asks "At MPs, RHO intervenes with a 4♦ preempt over your partner's opening. Now what?" I rank1 4♠. Take the money.2 Double. Confusing but could get 500 if partner can pass.3 4NT. Optimistic. Bad breaks are likely. e.g. LHO may be ruffing ♦s.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm going to start with a negative double and see what happens next. North will bid 4♥ over the double. The problem still remains -- how high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 North will bid 4♥ over the double. The problem still remains -- how high? With a double fit AND the possibility of playing in a 4-4 heart fit rather than a 5-4 spade fit, I am more than happy to risk the five level to explore 6. I am now going to cue bid 5♦ and partner is well positioned to place the contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 OK, I jump to 6♥, a transcendental bid justified by seeing the hand records or overhearing the result from the next table. Assuming I don't have any black magic in my bag of tricks, I bid a pedestrian 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 With a double fit AND the possibility of playing in a 4-4 heart fit rather than a 5-4 spade fit, I am more than happy to risk the five level to explore 6. I am now going to cue bid 5♦ and partner is well positioned to place the contract I agree with X and 5♦, but I'd rather play in our 9 card suit. Sometime it will cost us a trick when we have exactly 11 + a potential heart ruff in our hand, but more often on this auction/hand I expect us to have a play for the 12th trick, but a bad trump split that could be difficult to pick up if we only have 8 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I agree with X and 5♦, but I'd rather play in our 9 card suit. Sometime it will cost us a trick when we have exactly 11 + a potential heart ruff in our hand, but more often on this auction/hand I expect us to have a play for the 12th trick, but a bad trump split that could be difficult to pick up if we only have 8 of them. I agree that a bad trump break could be a problem, however, the chance to pitch a club from hand on the long spade could be critical.I am still steering towards 6!H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zdedo Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 for me I just bid 4♠ geting the msg we have fit and enough for game p can go for slam depending on his hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Negative double? With 4 card ♠ support? Now that really helps pd to evaluate his hand! Some number of spades or 5♦ are our real options, depending on how aggressive you are. Anyone who thinks playing a 4-4 ♥ fit when 5-4 6-4 was available, after one opponents rings the alarm bell, is misguided imo.Anyone who thinks correcting 5♣ to 5♠ is a great job is misguided imo. Forget about this hand, this is a great way to invite disaster in a lot of future hands, if dbl of 4 level preempts can contain 4 card support.This is not a 1♠ - 4♠ bid. We are bidding 4♠ over 4♦. It does not mean we are weak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 The actual hand came up in a robot MP competition. The robot North held:♠QT9863♥J832♦♣AK9 Most Souths chose to bid 4♠ which made 11 tricks when opps forgot to take their ruff in ♥ (split 4-1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I think one of the bad features of our hand is the A♦, if we swapped that with any of our cards in the other suits we have a complete monster, but how useful is an ace facing a void/stiff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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