1eyedjack Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Not obvious to me, but never mind. No confession is "voluntary", in that unless under the influence of physical torture there is always a choice to confess or not to confess, and with each choice comes consequences. I think that it is in the interests of the game that convictions be supported by confessions, and if the perp. has no incentive to confess then confessions will not result. That is no different from the world of criminal prosecutions outside of the bridge world. It does have its detractors: In the USA I understand that a lot of confessions are volunteered by defendants who are innocent, for fear of the consequences of conviction despite their innocence and of the consequent disparity in the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 David Gold on Bridgewinners: Does anyone have a link to the video of the match David mentions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Let's see what France can do, some of their players might be enlisted for transnationals.Mentioned today on the French Federation forum: The team will be T. Bessis/Volcker, Combescure/Rombaut, de Teissières/Lhuissier, who just finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th of the open selection. (The first pair, Lorenzini/Quantin, is unavailable.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Yeah sorry if I was unclear I meant I think France is next up to qualify for the Euros... didn't mean anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 IMO the WBF and NBOs rather than players should investigate cheating allegations. Nevertheless, it's worrying that WBF and NBO officials had been investigating for years but failed to detect several long-suspect pairs allegedly using simple cheating methods, uncovered by a few players in a few weeks.In spite of access to computer and video records, over many years, the authorities haven't yet completed their investigation of world-beating suspect cheats, allegedly using simple consistent methods. What are the prospects that the authorities will deal with some of the (presumably much more numerous) cheating pairs, who occasionally use more sophisticated methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captyogi Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Yeah sorry if I was unclear I meant I think France is next up to qualify for the Euros... didn't mean anything else. Thank You PhantomSac for Clarification. Merci Beaucoup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I miss this part concerning fantunes.....I understand there is gossip.... I miss zero evidence....? Assuming for DISCUSSION there is evidence...were you persuaded If so If not ok.... You must understand at this point thousands and thousands of us know of zero evidence or slander regarding FT-------------- pls note posting some kind of internet gossip means=something close to zero.....---------------- discussing evidence means more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I miss this part concerning fantunes.....I understand there is gossip.... I miss zero evidence....? Assuming for DISCUSSION there is evidence...were you persuaded If so If not ok.... You must understand at this point thousands and thousands of us know of zero evidence or slander regarding FT-------------- pls note posting some kind of internet gossip means=something close to zero.....---------------- discussing evidence means morePlenty of evidence that can be verified. See http://bridgewinners...-fantoni-nunes/ You will find a table summarizing the observations of lots of videos that demonstrate their use of the angle of a played card (opening lead) which corresponds exactly with the holding in the suit led. Each example links to the video (with the time stamp of the lead) and a summary of all the pertinent details. Perhaps the evidence might not convince their mothers(as mothers never believe their children could misbehave), but it is very obvious once you know the code that they are cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 The IBF committee decided to suspend F&S due to the weight of the evidence until the investigation is over. F&S have requested a chance to speak and appeal this decision and got until the 24th. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153321839548922&set=pcb.1224122187604342&type=1&theater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Here's a link http://neapolitanclu...rmuda-bowl.htmlAhhh, we begin to see a change. They see the writing on the wall for F-S and F-N. So they try another approach, hoping to salvage something, anything. Go public before the posse does. Show contrition instead of defiance. Self-suspend rather than wait for judgment. Yes, I think Brogeland's sweep is working. The cheaters still out there feel fear now. Heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 OK, the **** is about to hit the fan again. Boye (imo the greatest figure in modern bridge), is about to unleash yet more hell on the cheats and obfuscators. The greatness is partly accidental, but he was born to it, and has taken on the role with a bravery, gusto and ruthlessness that is magnificent to behold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 JF: Yeah, how many of the 2 new pairs are at the BB? BB: Both. But don't push it, Jonathan, I am not going to give it all away at this point (even if some of the BW regulars will start screaming). We don't have all the evidences lined up like for Fisher & Schwartz (actually more and more flooded in) and Fantoni & Nunes (easier to get when it's every freaking hand), but the evidences can be released during the Bermuda Bowl if the players or the WBF don't do the right thing. And by all means: If the pairs were clean when they qualified for the Bermuda Bowl: Please play - nothing bad will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 asdf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Who is JF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Jonathan Ferguson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Balicki-Zmudzinski have apparently been tossed by the WBF credentials committee for unknown reasons. It would be pretty sad if they turned out to be cheaters; I've never met them but always had some level of sympathy because they were one of the pairs to suffer from the ACBL's ban on unwanted bidding systems in international bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 If two further teams throw in the towel then Norway and the Netherlands still have a few hours to select teams and get them to the airport. Good that Rik and his wife are available, since it may be difficult to get three of the five core pairs with such short notice :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Helene if Bulgaria and Poland finally are declared to have been cheating. Can you please tell us the chances that England was cheating as well given that the other 5 teams who qualified did so? (NOTE to idiots: This is a joke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 If two further teams throw in the towel then Norway and the Netherlands still have a few hours to select teams and get them to the airport. Good that Rik and his wife are available, since it may be difficult to get three of the five core pairs with such short notice :)Our car is filled up and the suitcases are in the hall... just waiting for the phone to ring. Rik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 If two further teams throw in the towel then Norway and the Netherlands still have a few hours to select teams and get them to the airport. Good that Rik and his wife are available, since it may be difficult to get three of the five core pairs with such short notice :)What about you, Helene? Your BBF profile still says Amsterdam, surely the WBF would accept this as proof of bona-fide residence given the circumstances. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Did anyone calculate who deserve the medals on teh last EC now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Did anyone calculate who deserve the medals on teh last EC now?If you drop all results of the 5 teams from the 2014 cross table (the event used to Q for the Bermuda Bowl), you get: ENGLANDSWEDENDENMARKFRANCENORWAYNETHERLANDSTURKEYROMANIAITALYIRELANDESTONIARUSSIACROATIA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Boye Brogeland on BridgeWinners:I can assure you that there are no proofs against “the fifth” pair (who mentioned they were from Bulgaria?). So this pair can be 100 % clean and therefore should be welcomed wholeheartedly to play in the Bermuda Bowl. On the other hand, if anything “bad” happened in the qualification to the Bermuda Bowl, please do the right thing. If the pair and team decide to play, our team will dig into the case the coming days and hopefully reach a conclusive conclusion No Matter if it's one way or the other. Of course our whole team hopes that the “the fifth” pair is clean and that we have been able to track down all the “unethical behaviour” and cheating which everyday bridge players from around the world tipped us about. Thanks for fighting the good fight together with the rest of the bridge community. Looks like you have to put Bulgaria back in for now, Glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Boye Brogeland on BridgeWinners: Looks like you have to put Bulgaria back in for now, Glen. With 4 teams out, we have: ENGLANDBULGARIASWEDENDENMARKFRANCENORWAYNETHERLANDSTURKEYROMANIAITALYIRELANDESTONIARUSSIACROATIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 It is interesting to me that Glen's two charts indicate Bulgaria's play in the Q event did not affect the relative placing of any other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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