gordontd Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Which pair is this? it does not appear to be reported at the DBV website.Here's a link http://neapolitanclub.altervista.org/eng/germany-withdraws-from-2015-bermuda-bowl.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 France is next on the list I believe Really??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 My wife and I have decided to start practicing. If lots more pairs confess to cheating, we could be eligible to play in the Bermuda Bowl. ;) Rik 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Really???I think he meant France is next in line for a European slot in the Bermuda Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 France is next on the list I believeReally???Let's be 100% clear: Justin means France is next on the list of countries to qualify for the Bermuda Bowl. He does NOT mean next on the list to withdraw because of a cheating pair. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Really??? I had the same reaction when I read the post the first time. I really hope he meant to write "France is next on the list of qualifiers I believe" i.e. that Germany's vacated place is probably going to France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I had the same reaction when I read the post the first time. I really hope he meant to write "France is next on the list of qualifiers I believe" i.e. that Germany's vacated place is probably going to France. No, I am informed that France will withdraw as well and more to come. (Just kidding) I will wait Justin to make it clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 France isn't in the Bermuda Bowl at the moment, so it would be hard for them to withdraw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 There was a lot of discussion over this at BW. Mike Passell being on probation and penalized 25% of his masterpoints was announced in the last Chicago NABC bulletin. MP then posted his side of the story: http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/the-whole-story/ And then another announcement was made: http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/the-passell-saga-breaking-news/People are missing a lot if they don't read bridgewinners, such as a third pair confessed today to cheating, and their team withdrew from the Bermuda Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 France isn't in the Bermuda Bowl at the moment, so it would be hard for them to withdraw. They will first make them qualify to BB so that they can be eligible to be investigated and vacate their qualification! http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 They will first make them qualify to BB so that they can be eligible to be investigated and vacate their qualification! http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gifSince France finished 9th in the 2014 European Teams, they might now qualify for the Bermuda Bowl since 3 of the top 6 teams have had to withdraw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Of the 3 top pairs that have been found 'guilty' of cheating (with potentially another couple to come), ALL of them have generated 'whispers' in top bridge circles. My take away is that, at least at a World Class level, players are actually very good at recognizing when something suspicious is going on. Even if the mechanics of how tournaments are run doesn't change, we definitely need to change the method and and remove the stigma associated with reporting suspicious activity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Since France finished 9th in the 2014 European Teams, they might now qualify for the Bermuda Bowl since 3 of the top 6 teams have had to withdraw Glen, what I actually tried to say was not about France. It was an attempt to make a joke which meant " Too many teams are being taken down in such a short time that whoever is qualified to fill the vacated position is not safe due to the speed of surprise findings everyday" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 My local bridge newspaper says Mike Passel is suspended from bridge and loses 25% OF HIS 80.000 masterpoints. He admits he fouled a board, but it was an accident. the main point being he is a cheater and found to be a cheater per this account. I know zero of the other details. Would you be so kind as to actually read Mr Passel's account at http://bridgewinners.com/article/view/the-whole-story/ and then publicly state whether you still claim him to be a cheater?This story may be more about the total ineptness of the current official process of handling ethics problems (convict one innocent, fail to take action against 3 cheating pairs) than any condemnation of Mr Passel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 sorry I don't give a flying ***** about these guys excuses or how nice they are, they cheated and should be banned for life, end of discussion as far as I'm concerned. They could make a 100 mill donation to charity or whatever, letting them back at any point would send a terrible message imo they are cheaters, they have no place in Bridge 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbentzen Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Don't compare what Mike Passell did to any of the cheaters. His so-Called offence was totally innocent, and has nothing do with cheating. The ACBL reaction was way out-of-line. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Could it be that the 4th pair didn't qualify for Chennai!? Or maybe they didn't qualify in Croatia... OMG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Of the 3 top pairs that have been found 'guilty' of cheating (with potentially another couple to come), ALL of them have generated 'whispers' in top bridge circles. My take away is that, at least at a World Class level, players are actually very good at recognizing when something suspicious is going on. I don't think you can draw that conclusion, since the reason they were caught and outed were the verysame whispers. So, there's still the possibility of better cheaters that you haven't caught. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Let's see what France can do, some of their players might be enlisted for transnationals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I don't think you can draw that conclusion, since the reason they were caught and outed were the very same whispers. So, there's still the possibility of better cheaters that you haven't caught. I think I've phrased my idea poorly. I don't think that catching 100% of cheaters is realistic, especially if they use subtle methods and gain only a small advantage. However, the 3 cases revealed so far suggest when many top experts suspect a pair of dubious conduct over many events then that can and should be used to target cheating investigations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I don't think you can draw that conclusion, since the reason they were caught and outed were the very same whispers. So, there's still the possibility of better cheaters that you haven't caught.Indeed, there were "whispers" about East German athletes in the 1980s, but few were caught. And the authorities did not act even after obviously suspicious results like Schult's and Reinsch's world records in the discus, in 1986 and 1988, which have stood since then. Proof of cheating is hard to obtain and the best cheats are probably still out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Laughable mentioned 2 years punishment just added another VERY important reason to go electronic imo. "Catch a cheat" will not work as good as they think it will. It never did. But even if it works, what good will it do if the punishments are beyond funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I think that it is absolutely right that cheaters should have an incentive to confess. Then it is just a question of horse-trading how much of an incentive is (1) fair and (2) effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 But they didn't confess voluntarilly. Or so I think. Just 2 things: Allavena said that Boye said that before making public about Fantoni-Nunes he conteacted them and said that if they confessed things wouldn't become public. Sabine Auken (and probably Roy Welland) were finally convinced that Smirnov-Piekarek were clean and they made a public announcement to ask the whispering to stop. If you add the 2 facts together I think it is obvious what actually has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 But they didn't confess voluntarilly. Or so I think.David Gold on Bridgewinners:They were getting nailed. The hard way or the easy way. You will see the evidence soon enough, this has all only just come out. (Btw a friend of mine went through the match v england in opatijia and spotted it easily, and this is a non-expert bridge player). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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