Al_U_Card Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Neither candidate is likely to become the lowest point in the Presidential hierarchy of awfulness. Even the somewhat innocuous Jimmy Carter went down with each year in office. Sadly, there seems to be no lower limit... :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just when it seemed it couldn't GET more bizarre....remind me, how many millions of taxpayer dollars did the righteous Republicans spend trying to nail Clinton to the wall for Monica Lewinski and now they offer this diseased slug as their choice to be President? Who would have thought the Republicans would be able to find someone who can make Sarah Palin look reasonable. The prof who has correctly predicted the winner in the last 18 presidential elections said last week the data predicts Trump will win. He also said this election process has been so unusual that the data may not be as reliable as usual. We can only hope. I am 77 and I have voted in every presidential election from 1960 through 2012. This makes 14 of them. You subtract 2012-1960 =52, you divide 52/4=13, you add 1 to get 13+1=14. To see why you add 1, note that after I voted in 1960 you get (1960-1960)/4=0 but I voted in that one, so you have to add 0+1=1. So to get to 18 predictions, the last in 2012, he began with Roosevelt-Dewey in 1944. I was five at the time and failed to make any prediction. I didn't even guess the Truman-Dewey race in 1948. Who is vouching for this brilliant accuracy, his mother? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onoway Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Sorry I stand corrected, I ought to know better than to post things off the top of my head just because I can't get to sleep. It's University Professor Alan Lichtman, he has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1984 and he uses a 13 point system, so I got it all muddled. Apologies for posting carelessly, I usually try not to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Sorry I stand corrected, I ought to know better than to post things off the top of my head just because I can't get to sleep. It's University Professor Alan Lichtman, he has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1984 and he uses a 13 point system, so I got it all muddled. Apologies for posting carelessly, I usually try not to do that. It was more fun the other way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Seriously, did anyone think that this was not who Trump is? Not a word of it surprises me the slightest bit, nor will it when the mistresses start getting dug up, or the prostitutes, or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Seriously, did anyone think that this was not who Trump is? Not a word of it surprises me the slightest bit, nor will it when the mistresses start getting dug up, or the prostitutes, or whatever. Exactly. All of this shocking new stuff on Trump!?! Everyone quotes Louis from Casablanca, but Louis was funny, this isn't. Some R bigwig was going on about how awful it was that Trump was hitting on a married woman. Where, exactly, has this guy been for the past year? Which cave? Trump brags about his conquests. I can't say that I am all that interested in DT's sex life one way or the other, but, at this point in the campaign, being shocked by any aspect of it is beyond ridiculous. Same for all of his other obnoxious traits. Spare me more details, I have got all I need, quite a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Exactly. All of this shocking new stuff on Trump!?! Everyone quotes Louis from Casablanca, but Louis was funny, this isn't. Some R bigwig was going on about how awful it was that Trump was hitting on a married woman. Where, exactly, has this guy been for the past year? Which cave? Trump brags about his conquests. I can't say that I am all that interested in DT's sex life one way or the other, but, at this point in the campaign, being shocked by any aspect of it is beyond ridiculous. Same for all of his other obnoxious traits. Spare me more details, I have got all I need, quite a while back. Trump was describing sexual assault and explaining that his privileged position lets him get away with it... The election is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Trump was describing sexual assault and explaining that his privileged position lets him get away with it... The election is over I sure as hell hope so! Way, way past time. I think when things like this turn, the turn is steep and final. I hope so. I started following elections, in my 13 year old way, in 1952. I saw Joe McCarthy on tv talking about how Stevenson had belonged to organizations on the Attorney General's subversive list. Perhaps that was worse [no, cancel that, McCarthy was not going to be the pres. Ike should have disavowed this, but at least McC did not become pres], but this has been more repulsive. Later, it was impossible to find someone who would acknowledge that he was once pro-McCarthy. I wish the same fate for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 They play Fox at the fitness center next to CNN. Today, instead of a bunch of talking heads defending Trump, it seemed like topis were non-political like Matthew. At some point (probably now) since nearly all of the Republican leadership has written him off, I would think O'Reilly and Hannity will cast him aside. 2016 is a disaster - the best they can hope for is not have a rout in the Senate as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hmmnnn let's see. McCarthy wanted to limit your rights and freedoms. Trump has yet to profess that although he appears to want to limit rights and freedoms of illegal immigrants and radical muslims. I guess commies and pinkos are pretty much the same except that you can more easily define and describe one of them. American history, what a debacle. (But not more so than British or French or Russian ....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Perhaps the best we can hope for is an ultra left victory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Perhaps the best we can hope for is an ultra left victoryMost likely a "won't be anything left" victory no matter who wins because they aren't likely to stop the socio-economic rape of the common man that has been going on since....forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 No matter who wins the election, this undignified spectacle over the months causes considerable damage to the image of the land which claims worldwide leadership. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Perhaps the best we can hope for is an ultra left victoryDid I miss something? Is Raul Castro running in this election? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Did I miss something? Is Raul Castro running in this election? Please, take Corbyn and his supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I sure as hell hope so! Way, way past time. I think when things like this turn, the turn is steep and final. I hope so. I started following elections, in my 13 year old way, in 1952. I saw Joe McCarthy on tv talking about how Stevenson had belonged to organizations on the Attorney General's subversive list. Perhaps that was worse [no, cancel that, McCarthy was not going to be the pres. Ike should have disavowed this, but at least McC did not become pres], but this has been more repulsive. Later, it was impossible to find someone who would acknowledge that he was once pro-McCarthy. I wish the same fate for Trump.It isn't so easy now. Public records of who supported who are much more ubiquitous. It is kind of sad in a way, all these other Rs who came out to support him out of fear, just waiting for the right reason to withdraw it. Even Ted Cruz caved, not long before this "new" information came out. I could respect Rs who opposed Trump the entire time, but who are they? Also sadly, this is not the end. The Trumpish part of the population is bigger and stronger than I ever thought, and now they are emboldened as well. We can look forward to candidates across the country embracing this segment more openly. How they fare in the 2018 midterms will have a strong influence on the 2020 presidential candidate. If they do well, we will have another like Trump. Perhaps even one of his children. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Most pathetic excuse for a "debate" that I have ever seen. Schoolyard bully versus snake-in-the-grass. Palpable disgust for each other was evident but kudos to Trump for the last word on Hillary not being a quitter. All she could come up with was that she liked his kids....ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Palpable disgust for each other was evident but kudos to Trump for the last word on Hillary not being a quitter. All she could come up with was that she liked his kids....ridiculous.What do you think she should have said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 You could see that she was deathly afraid of saying anything positive about DT for fear that it be used against her later. How about that he is extremely effective at promoting (a brand, especially himself) and that since the US desperately needs an image makeover that he would make a great Secretary of State in her cabinet....ROFLMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Or how about since he was such a good lie-detector that he would have a place in the DoJ? Now Trump might then have retorted that since she was such a good liar that she could work for him as CIA head... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I thought the question was very good. I also thought her reply was excellent. A friend once said to me that our kids are better than what we deserve. I agreed wholeheartedly. I would find it very difficult to say something about Trump himself that I admired. Lightning might strike me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 It isn't so easy now. Public records of who supported who are much more ubiquitous. It is kind of sad in a way, all these other Rs who came out to support him out of fear, just waiting for the right reason to withdraw it. Even Ted Cruz caved, not long before this "new" information came out. I could respect Rs who opposed Trump the entire time, but who are they? Also sadly, this is not the end. The Trumpish part of the population is bigger and stronger than I ever thought, and now they are emboldened as well. We can look forward to candidates across the country embracing this segment more openly. How they fare in the 2018 midterms will have a strong influence on the 2020 presidential candidate. If they do well, we will have another like Trump. Perhaps even one of his children. Trump is right about one thing: there is most definitely a conspiracy - a conspiracy of sane, rational people attempting to prevent the crazies from taking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 What do you think she should have said? "As far as I know, he hasn't actually *****ed his daughter" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Carl Becker's question was quite good and I think it probably threw off HRC. Its like being in a job interview and you've prepared for all of the canned question and things are humming along and then suddenly you get asked a question and you have to think on your feet. I like the 'he's a great promoter' answer suggested above. It would been somewhat of a backhanded compliment since a President needs to have substance and not just coming up with ideas off the top of his head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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