Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped?

[pilowsky]

My suggestion is that Trump reach a plea deal with DOJ to surrender his passport, renounce US citizenship, liquidate his US assets, pay off all of his lawsuits and other debts, and permanently move to another country without extradition with no possibility of returning. In return, no Federal jail time, and since he is in a country without extradition, state charges are unenforceable.

 

Why do you say Trump can't go to prison? Because the judge won't send him to prison (actually a likely possibility if alleged judge cannon is not removed), or because Trump will flee the country.

Your "suggestion" is exactly the point I'm making.

Trump is as likely to fly off to Brazil as you are to turn into a tomato.

Half of the voting population still think he should be President.

They also think UFO's are real, the earth is flat and on BBO they all believe they're experts.

 

If Agnew and Nixon didn't go to prison and Kissinger got the peace prize, Trump will live out his days in the presidential ballroom.

 

Only poor people that aren't white and rich go to prison unless they rip off other rich white people - e.g. Bernie Madoff.

 

If a former President of the USA can be convicted of espionage the whole experiment is over.

Murder, yes, financial fraud, definitely, even defamation.

But how does the system cope if a person elected to the pinnacle by half the population and responsible for all the nation's secrets is convicted of espionage.

 

Even though - on the face of it, and by his own admission - he did it, there's a major political/structural problem in convicting him; far less imprisoning him with his secret service entourage.

It would take a special act of congress - at a minimum.

 

 

 

[Winstonm]

Reuters is reporting that 10 members of the House of Representatives held a secret meeting with Mike Pence trying to pressure him into not certifying the electoral college votes in order to keep Trump in power.

 

I hope was criminal and they get nailed for it.

[pilowsky]

Straight out of "Mean Girls".

According to Axios the house fecal caucus (both of them) is meeting to discuss kicking MGT out because she said something nasty to the gentlewoman (that line always cracks me up) from Colorado.

[Winstonm]

Straight out of "Mean Girls".

According to Axios the house fecal caucus (both of them) is meeting to discuss kicking MGT out because she said something nasty to the gentlewoman (that line always cracks me up) from Colorado.

As a physician can you tell me if these people vibrate fast enough will they explode or lust transform into their true alien forms?

[pilowsky]

As a physician can you tell me if these people vibrate fast enough will they explode or lust transform into their true alien forms?

 

Give me a child until he* is seven, and then don't let him learn anything more and I will show you the modern conservative.

 

*this applies to other genders as well.

 

 

[Gilithin]

Reuters is reporting that 10 members of the House of Representatives held a secret meeting with Mike Pence trying to pressure him into not certifying the electoral college votes in order to keep Trump in power.

 

I hope was criminal and they get nailed for it.

This will be treated as discussions regarding business in the House and not result in charges. Take the easy stuff, like DJT openly and clearly attempting to incite a coup, before going for grey areas like this.

[Winstonm]

This will be treated as discussions regarding business in the House and not result in charges. Take the easy stuff, like DJT openly and clearly attempting to incite a coup, before going for grey areas like this.

 

I doubt DOJ would charge but they could charge as the speech and debate clause specifically exempts cases of felony, and conspiracy to defraud the United States, confraudus for short, is a felony.