Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped?

[Winstonm]

There was a massive enquiry about the Rotherham case and others and it came out at that, it was all over radio/TV. The article below is about Rochdale, another similar case.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3934343/rochdale-cop-maggie-oliver-slams-police-force-and-justice-system-for-failing-to-shut-down-paedo-rings/ the Sun is not the most trustworthy source but just happens to be the first one that came up on a search, it was in many places.

 

The sort of thing in the second case is that guidance is sent out to schools that putting a Christmas tree up might offend non-Christians so don't do it.

 

Thanks for going to the trouble to look this up.

 

It is troubling if the opinions expressed are accurate that attempts to absorb refugees and others moving into Britain led to lack enforcement of existing laws. I know little about the make up of the British parliament so I am somewhat confused. In my world, the governments and police tend to be more right-wing than liberal so I am having a problem understanding how liberal-based political correctness is underlying the lack of enforcement.

 

This looks to me like a failure of policy rather than a failure of civility. Civil societies have never tolerated criminals. Policies sometimes have done so.

[jogs]

The progressive left is wrong about everything. Rent control is creating homelessness. Old landlords are passing away. Their children are selling the properties to third parties. The new owners are allowed to charge market rates for the rents. Tenants are evicted if they can't pay these higher market rates. These are the new homeless. The working poor. The left were suppose to build affordable housing.

Seattle commissions an outside firm to conduct a study on the higher minimum wage. Study concludes the working poor is worst off. Many lose their jobs. Many others have their hours cut. On balance these workers are making less money than when their hour wage was lower.

[PassedOut]

The progressive left is wrong about everything.

Isn't your own position on Medicaid progressive left?

[ldrews]

So you do not consider someone that exploits vulnerable people and gropes women's pussies to be an a$$h0le? And how about the bullsh!t - are you seriously willing to stand up and say that Trump does not speak or tweet it on a regular basis? You are still trolling sir!

 

Do you even read my replies? Of course Trump is an a$$hole. Most everybody is in one way or another. But I really don't care what his personality or tweets are, or whose pussy he is grabbing. I primarily care about his official actions, executive orders, and what he can get done through Congress. If it makes him an effective President I think we should provide him all the pussy he wants.

 

Are you still mesmerized by the soap opera? What Trump says, what Trump tweets? The media's and liberal/left reactions? All show, not important. When the man is moving the cups with the pea under one you have to pay attention to what is happening, and not be distracted by what the man says. Otherwise you will never know where the pea is.

 

Of course the carnival show is all the Democrats have to work with at the moment. They have lost congressional power and multiple state level positions as well. Politically they are impotent.

 

Do you see what is actually happening? Job growth, low unemployment, high stock market, lessening of regulations, tightening of immigration control, rollback of Obama's accomplishments. Actual progress against ISIS, actually addressing the N. Korea problem, working on improving relationships with Russia, stepping down from the role of international daddy. Like a big ship turning, very slowly but steadily.

 

You may not like or agree with it, but it is happening.

[ggwhiz]

Do you see what is actually happening? Job growth, low unemployment, high stock market, lessening of regulations, tightening of immigration control, rollback of Obama's accomplishments. Actual progress against ISIS, actually addressing the N. Korea problem, working on improving relationships with Russia, stepping down from the role of international daddy. Like a big ship turning, very slowly but steadily.

 

Wow! This is hilarious. The first 3 have nothing to do with anything the Donald has done and other than trashing regulations, many of which are necessary (Environmental), there has been ZERO progress on the rest. He may never get an actual bill passed despite full Republican control.

[ldrews]

Wow! This is hilarious. The first 3 have nothing to do with anything the Donald has done and other than trashing regulations, many of which are necessary (Environmental), there has been ZERO progress on the rest. He may never get an actual bill passed despite full Republican control.

 

If it happens on Trump's watch he gets the credit or the blame, whichever is appropriate, right? If not, then we cannot ever allocate responsibility for outcomes.

[awm]

...actually addressing the N. Korea problem...

 

I will just focus on this one. North Korea has significantly ramped up missile tests since Trump took office. Most recently they have tested a missile which could potentially reach the United States. Trump told them to stop testing, threatened them with a fleet that was thousands of miles away, and said that they would "never" be allowed to launch a missile which could reach the US. He asked China for help dealing with them, and then later said China was ineffective. And so far there has been no significant US response to the missile tests.

 

If Obama was "addressing the N. Korea problem" in exactly this same way under exactly the same circumstances, you would be talking about how ineffectual he is, how he doesn't enforce his red lines, how he makes the US look weak by pleading China for help, how idiotic he is not to even know where our fleets are, etc.

 

It is interesting how the same actions look so different when viewed through a partisan lens. The same can be said of many of your other statements (the stock market being up... sure but it was up even more under Obama and he was a "disaster for business"... unemployment hasn't changed much since Obama left office, but he was a "job killer" and the same unemployment numbers were somehow fake back then.. etc).

[billw55]

If it makes him an effective President I think we should provide him all the pussy he wants.

This says all I need to know about you.

 

 

 

[billw55]

The progressive left is wrong about everything. Rent control is creating homelessness. Old landlords are passing away. Their children are selling the properties to third parties. The new owners are allowed to charge market rates for the rents. Tenants are evicted if they can't pay these higher market rates. These are the new homeless. The working poor. The left were suppose to build affordable housing.

Yes, it turns out that wealthy lefties want to protect their property values as much as wealthy righties do. No big surprise really.

 

 

 

[Winstonm]

rollback of Obama's accomplishments.

You may not like or agree with it, but it is happening.

 

Why would you list the above as something positive?

 

One the rest, you are in la la land. We will see what he can accomplish over 4 years other than rattling the cage bars.

[ldrews]

This says all I need to know about you.

 

Well yes, I am in favor of what works and opposed to what doesn't work. Aren't you?

[ldrews]

Why would you list the above as something positive?

 

One the rest, you are in la la land. We will see what he can accomplish over 4 years other than rattling the cage bars.

 

You must see everything through partisan glasses. I am merely commenting on what I see and make no judgment positive or negative.

[cherdano]

Well yes, I am in favor of what works and opposed to what doesn't work. Aren't you?

I am against letting people sexually assault people, even if it allegedly makes them more effective at their job.

 

Friendly advice, don't hit reply while you are completely drunk.

[Winstonm]

You must see everything through partisan glasses. I am merely commenting on what I see and make no judgment positive or negative.

 

Oh, I thought you claimed to be a Trump supporter.

[ldrews]

Oh, I thought you claimed to be a Trump supporter.

 

Well, once again I can help you refine your understanding, although I thought you had already learned this. I have certainly said it on a number of occasions.

 

I support Trump's policy actions and executive orders, mostly and so far, that are moving the country in a direction that I approve of. I do not support Trump as a person to befriend or associate with. If you would like to replace Trump with another individual who will continue to move the country in the same direction, I have no problem with it.

 

I do enjoy how Trump is driving the liberal/left crazy.

[Winstonm]

Well, once again I can help you refine your understanding, although I thought you had already learned this. I have certainly said it on a number of occasions.

 

I support Trump's policy actions and executive orders, mostly and so far, that are moving the country in a direction that I approve of. I do not support Trump as a person to befriend or associate with. If you would like to replace Trump with another individual who will continue to move the country in the same direction, I have no problem with it.

 

I do enjoy how Trump is driving the liberal/left crazy.

 

Quite a lot of deniability, I see. Yet you already said that if it helps, furnish Trump with all the ladies he can handle, so I can see that is not where you draw the line. I suppose you consider yourself not a Trump supporter as you would draw the line at him shooting someone in public? But the fact you voted for him means you must be OK with his demeaning of handicapped reporters?

[Winstonm]

From the Hard to know whether to laugh or cry Department:

 

An Iowa woman pleaded guilty to election misconduct this week after being accused of illegally voting twice for Donald Trump last year, according to The Associated Press.

 

The woman, 56-year-old Terri Lynn Rote, reportedly cast a ballot during early voting in Polk County and attempted to cast a second one at a satellite voting location, where she was arrested. Rote told police she voted twice because she believed Trump’s claims that the 2016 election would be rigged and thought her first ballot would be changed to a vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton, according to CBS News.

 

OK, only 2,999,999 more to go!

[ldrews]

Quite a lot of deniability, I see. Yet you already said that if it helps, furnish Trump with all the ladies he can handle, so I can see that is not where you draw the line. I suppose you consider yourself not a Trump supporter as you would draw the line at him shooting someone in public? But the fact you voted for him means you must be OK with his demeaning of handicapped reporters?

 

Interesting how you try to make something out of simple voting. Is this how you handle all of your data? Twist it to fit your narrative?

 

As you already well know, I support the policy actions and executive orders, not the man. Shall I repeat that again? I support the policy actions and executive orders, not the man. Can you hear me now?

 

And at what point would you be willing to supply ladies to the man? If it would save 1,000 lives? 10,000? 100,000? If not, then you are willing to sacrifice 100,000 lives to satisfy your sense of morality in the presidency. Not me.

[blackshoe]

The govt must provide income to the useless 50%.

Why?

[Winstonm]

Interesting how you try to make something out of simple voting. Is this how you handle all of your data? Twist it to fit your narrative?

 

As you already well know, I support the policy actions and executive orders, not the man. Shall I repeat that again? I support the policy actions and executive orders, not the man. Can you hear me now?

 

And at what point would you be willing to supply ladies to the man? If it would save 1,000 lives? 10,000? 100,000? If not, then you are willing to sacrifice 100,000 lives to satisfy your sense of morality in the presidency. Not me.

 

Yes, you've made it obvious you have no principles. The end justifies the means provided it is the end you want. This is nothing more than spoiled child mentality.

This life, which had been the tomb of his virtue and of his honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[cherdano]

What a disgusting human being.

[Winstonm]

Trump in action:

 

“Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded and safe,” Trump said, quickly turning his attention to the Democratic National Committee and his predecessor, Barack Obama.

 

To prevent any more bank robberies, I'm giving John Dillinger the key to all our banks...

[diana_eva]

Trump in action:

 

 

Just came to post that too. LOL

[RedSpawn]

Trump in action:

 

 

 

To prevent any more bank robberies, I'm giving John Dillinger the key to all our banks...

It's a dangerous world when the President of the United States believes the assurances of Putin more than the intelligence provided by our western intelligence agencies.

 

Before we condemn this act as ridiculous and provocatively dangerous, we need to carefully review the intelligence failures and abuses and missteps that have led to this underlying mistrust between the defense department, intelligence agencies, and the President.

 

There needs to be some kind of summit meeting between the factions because this type of divided government and intelligence gathering towards our foreign policy appears counterproductive and dysfunctional.

 

I think Trump is asking us to dig deeper on the unquestioned motives of information supplied by our intelligence agencies. Remember, Russia is a big threat to our global monetary hegemony from an oil and natural gas reserve perspective so there could be a compelling financial incentive to keep Russia as one of our main enemies. It holds the 8th largest reserve of proven oil reserves in the world and THE largest natural gas reserve in the world so we need to keep them financially contained through economic sanctions. We need to make sure they remain on our watch list because they could build alliances to undermine the dominance of the U.S. dollar as the functional world reserve currency.

 

We have to look at the whole picture instead of just the narrative supplied by the fourth estate.

[PassedOut]

Folks in the US who like traveling abroad have to consider this question in these days of Trump, "Is it sufficient to disguise oneself as Canadian?" It's a bit reassuring that folks in the UIK now face a similar problem: When in Europe, dress like a walking apology for Brexit

 

Last year, when we visited France, I made sure the children always wore lapel badges, which I bought on the internet, of the EU flag. No one would be in any doubt of our political affiliations. Any awkwardness could be immediately abated by enthusiastic lapel-gesturing.

 

At the French holiday camp, Six and Nine made friends with some Belgian children of similar ages, Zes and Negen. And though, being English, we were unable to speak any foreign languages, least of all Belgian, we made our feelings about the complex pros and cons in the argument for European political and economic unity understood to the Walloons by pointing at the badges and pretending to cry, over and over again.

 

Of course, 12 months later, the situation is much worse, and the British, or more specifically the English, have gone from being regarded by the Europeans as the cool kids who gave the world the Beatles, James Bond, and football, to being a kind of embarrassing, weird family of angry and confused hooligans, whose garden is full of used nappies, old wet copies of Fiesta Readers’ Wives, and rusted tricycle frames.

 

A man on a secondhand record stall in the street market of a Pyrenean village last summer pretended he was not going to sell me a first pressing of Catherine Ribeiro’s 1972 classic Paix, despite my EU badge, due to assumed political differences. “Ah, Brexit,” he said, “no seminal stream-of-consciousness Parisienne street-poet space rock for you, monsieur!” But the tension was palpable. We needed to raise our game.

 

I realised I could use my mother’s sewing machine to clothe my very family itself, this summer, in unambiguously pro-European Union garments, exactly the sort of bespoke outfits we would need to ensure safe passage across the continent in these troubled times.

:)