Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped?

[Winstonm]

So all of it is untrue? It doesn't really affect my life one way or the other. I'm just curious.

 

But not curious enough to find out for yourself. Did you also notice that the original post did not offer a source link? Hard to pin down Qanon. :o

[Chas_P]

But not curious enough to find out for yourself. Did you also notice that the original post did not offer a source link? Hard to pin down Qanon. :o

 

Well I have read in several places that Bill got $500K for one speech in Moscow and that the Clinton Foundation got $140M after the Uranium One deal. Is that not true? Then there's this. You said it was all for the naive and misinformed. Please inform me.

[Winstonm]

Well I have read in several places that Bill got $500K for one speech in Moscow and that the Clinton Foundation got $140M after the Uranium One deal. Is that not true? Then there's this. You said it was all for the naive and misinformed. Please inform me.

 

No. Find out for yourself how gullible you are - that is the only way it will benefit you.

 

Let's also get another two or three things straight - your whataboutism doesn't play to people more knowledgeable about such sideshows. You're trying to sell snakeoil to a room full of physicians, Q is a figment of someone's imagination, and anyone who reads sites like the greatawakening is hopelessly sad!

[cherdano]

From my perspective, there is actually a shadow impeachment already in progress.

 

The big money contributors on the far right + Rupert Murdoch are constantly evaluating whether or not Trump has started doing more harm than good.

At that point in time, they'll turn on Trump, the Republicans in congress will see the writhing on the wall, we'll be rid of this idiots, and some new idiot will wander in to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue and mindless sign tax cut legislation.

I was, and still, skeptical about this.

On the oter hand - Pecker and Weisselberg cooperating, and AMI cooperating like this: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/24/politics/trump-tower-doorman-contract-ami/index.html - maybe Richard is right.

Still, given Trump's popularity among Republicans would make it impossible to dump him without causing a civil war within the party.

[hrothgar]

 

Still, given Trump's popularity among Republicans would make it impossible to dump him without causing a civil war within the party.

 

I'm not so sure. From what I can tell, the only things that Republicans really stand for is being assholes.

 

Under Trump they've reversed their position on too many key principles (free trade, National Defense, Russia)

 

But some boviating idiot on Fox 24/7 and they'll all come around

[kenberg]

Well I have read in several places that Bill got $500K for one speech in Moscow and that the Clinton Foundation got $140M after the Uranium One deal. Is that not true? Then there's this. You said it was all for the naive and misinformed. Please inform me.

 

I'll come at this from my own perspective.

 

Clinton years, a few memories: I was stunned by Madeleine Albright's announcement that she believed Clinton's denial about Monica Lewinsky. I have always thought the complaint from Paula Jones had merit. I thought the pardon of Mark Rich smelled very bad. There were several other things like that.

However. While I have not search through all of my past comments I am still confident that I never claimed that the Starr investigation of Clinton was a witch hunt by Republican dogs. I didn't say that Starr should stop investigating Clinton and instead start investigating George Bush or Ronald Reagan, where the "real crime is". I didn't bring up Ken Starr's wife, for that matter I never gave any thought to whether he was married.

 

It's an old tactic. As the clouds gathered around Nixon, his supporters wanted to talk about what LBJ did or maybe did. Investigate LBJ. Investigate Truman. Remember the Teapot Dome. Do anything else but don't look at Nixon. Or Haldeman. Or Ehrlichman. And as one of RN's supporters put it as the investigation was closing in "Just because Herdleman and Erdleman were up to no good that's no reason to go after our number one guy". Haldeman? Haldeman who?

 

It's always been that way. Probably Al Capone would ask why the G-men were not putting their efforts into John Dillinger. And surely Capone was not the only person to cheat on his taxes. A witch hunt no doubt.

 

Mueller is conducting an investigation focused on Trump and his crew..Mueller appears to be doing a fine job and a fair job. The usual response to such scrutiny is diversion. We should resist diversion. I'm fine with not jumping to conclusions, I can be patient. We need to support Mueller's work. Trump is not the only scuzzball in politics, true enough, but Trump and friends are the scuzzballs that Mueller is looking at, and we need to stay focused.

[PassedOut]

Mueller is conducting an investigation focused on Trump and his crew..Mueller appears to be doing a fine job and a fair job. The usual response to such scrutiny is diversion. We should resist diversion. I'm fine with not jumping to conclusions, I can be patient. We need to support Mueller's work. Trump is not the only scuzzball in politics, true enough, but Trump and friends are the scuzzballs that Mueller is looking at, and we need to stay focused.

Exactly. Folks who worry that Mueller might conduct a "witch hunt" should read up a bit on his record after his discharge from the Marine Corp: What Will Mueller Do? The Answer Might Lie in a By-the-Book Past. Then consider the records of his critics.

[Winstonm]

I'm not sure how we will ever get the smell out.

 

WaPo, but many other sources, as well:

 

President Trump posed for a photo in the Oval Office this week with one of the most prominent promoters of the “QAnon” conspiracy group, who later posted a video commemorating the visit.

 

Michael Lebron, a New York-based attorney and radio host who goes by the name “Lionel,” shared the photo on Friday morning, with an accompanying video that showed him poring through a White House “swag bag.”

 

Lebron has grown his online following by sharing speculation about QAnon conspiracy theory. In the social media post Friday, he assured his fans that the president “knows about” the theory.

 

Leave it to Dennison to appeal to the crazies.

[Al_U_Card]

I'm not sure how we will ever get the smell out.

 

WaPo, but many other sources, as well:

 

 

 

Leave it to Dennison to appeal to the crazies.

So, he appeals to crazies, alt-rights, deplorables, suckers, racists, and the un-educated "masses" etc. Almost half of the US population? Perhaps Trump is the least of your problems?

[jjbrr]

alucard, when you hand-wave terms like alt-right and racists, have you actually spent any time reading and absorbing the things discussed on places like t_d, 4chan, qanon, incels, redpill, etc where these people gather? This is a serious question. What is your opinion of them?

[Winstonm]

Criticism of Q touches a nerve? And I am the one with a problem? That's just weird.

[Al_U_Card]

Criticism of Q touches a nerve? And I am the one with a problem? That's just weird.

Is that something like the "T" zone? Only Q I know (and like) is bbq. ;). I gather this QAnon is yet another disinfo effort by our deep state friends in the intelligence community? Since you brought it up, do elaborate.

[Al_U_Card]

alucard, when you hand-wave terms like alt-right and racists, have you actually spent any time reading and absorbing the things discussed on places like t_d, 4chan, qanon, incels, redpill, etc where these people gather? This is a serious question. What is your opinion of them?

I was summarizing what is the gist of (mostly) Winston's repeated railings against DT and his "incomprehensible" as well as reprehensible supporters. From your list, I only have heard of QAnon as some kind of "deep throat" source of revelations from the inside? Anyone that stereotypes or categorizes people only exposes their own lack of intelligence, no matter which side of the fence they sit.

[jjbrr]

just to be clear, alucard, you admit you're completely ignorant of the bullshit you're preaching about?

[Al_U_Card]

just to be clear, alucard, you admit you're completely ignorant of the bullshit you're preaching about?

Try to be civil. I use words to convey an image. If you cannot comprehend this usage and rather than ask for clarification, you declare it bullshit and preaching, then where are your communication skills?

[jjbrr]

@alucard So yes, you're completely ignorant of your own bullshit. ok. you deserve the repercussions, of which there are regrettably few here.

 

Meanwhile, RIP John McCain. That happened a lot faster than I imagined, and it hurts a lot more than I expected. I disagreed with his politics often, but he deserves to be remembered as a hero. We lost a good one.

[jjbrr]

"No ma’am,” McCain said. “He’s a decent family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what this campaign is all about.”

 

“He is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as President,” McCain said. “If I didn’t think I’d be one heck of a better President I wouldn’t be running, and that’s the point. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments, I will respect him. I want everyone to be respectful, and let’s make sure we are. Because that’s the way politics should be conducted in America.”

[Al_U_Card]

@alucard So yes, you're completely ignorant of your own bullshit. ok. you deserve the repercussions, of which there are regrettably few here.

 

Meanwhile, RIP John McCain. That happened a lot faster than I imagined, and it hurts a lot more than I expected. I disagreed with his politics often, but he deserves to be remembered as a hero. We lost a good one.

Oh dear, expressing ideas contrary to your thinking deserves punishment? Really? Or do you just object to other methods of approaching a subject fraught with polarizing tensions and tribalism? What's next? Fingers in ears while yelling lalalala?

 

p.s. Keating five.

[jjbrr]

alucard, when you can speak at all about the sources i mentioned, we'll be on an equal plane. until then, you're an ignorant piece of *****, as many others on this forum have already realized. hope that helps.

[Al_U_Card]

alucard, when you can speak at all about the sources i mentioned, we'll be on an equal plane. until then, you're an ignorant piece of *****, as many others on this forum have already realized. hope that helps.

No interest in stooping that low.

[jjbrr]

barmar, tell us again why youre the most ineffectual moderator in forum history

[barmar]

barmar, tell us again why youre the most ineffectual moderator in forum history

I'm a computer programmer who got promoted to "moderator" because I've been on the Internet for 35 years, and we didn't actually have any official moderators. I try to do as little moderating as I can get away with. I haven't even logged into the forum for 2 days.

[jjbrr]

im at a complete loss. did you just admit to being completely ineffectual? i was joking.

[hrothgar]

I'm a computer programmer who got promoted to "moderator" because I've been on the Internet for 35 years, and we didn't actually have any official moderators. I try to do as little moderating as I can get away with. I haven't even logged into the forum for 2 days.

 

Barry, long long ago Inquiry asked me if I wanted to be a moderator. I refused, telling him that I would do a bad job and that a bad moderator is much worse than no moderator.

 

You really should do the same because you are awful at this.

[kenberg]

Well, we spend far too many lines discussing Trump. but that's a national problem comparable to opioid addiction. Maybe we could require that after three posts about Trump the poster is not allowed another Trump post until he says something about his garden, a trip he took, or a book he read. Or something.

 

Or here's an example. I went to a pulmonologist Friday because I have been having altitude issues even at modest heights such as 4000 feet and severe problems at 7000 feet. He had some records sent to him from my general practitioner. The medical community really sucks at technology. The records were in a bad format on the GP's site and after he faxed them over they were unreadable. Fortunately I had already saved those records in a pdf format and sent them as an email attachment to the person in his office who handled such things. Unfortunately she wasn't in that day and she had not done anything with these records, and nobody in the office knew how to get into her email. So I borrowed a computer in the office, logged into my email, went to sent mail, brought up the pdf and printed it out. Whew!. Look guys, I'm 79. I am not supposed to be saving 40 year olds from bungled technology issues.

 

Ok, now I can get back to Trump in my next three posts.If the mod doesn't expel me.