Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped?

[hrothgar]

This has been a helluva week, politically speaking!

 

The Washington Post confirmed that the infamous “Trump Dossier” research was funded by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, using the legal firm of Perkins and Coie as a cutout conduit to provide deniability. So while no evidence has been produced so far on the Russia/Trump collusion allegations, we all now have actual evidence that there was DNC/Clinton/Russian collusion to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. In the process, several felonies have been committed. Of course all leading Democratic spokespersons are denying any knowledge of such activities. Really? 9 million dollars spent and know one knows about it.

 

 

Damn, your stupidity continually amazes me.

 

1. Yes, research for the Trump Dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign. Campaigns conduct opposition research all the time. How does the fact that the Clinton campaign paid for opposition research constitute a felony?

 

2. Your account is at best incomplete. The bulk of the research into the Steel dossier was paid for by Republican Never Trumpers prior to the close of the Republican primary. Once Clinton / Trump had secure the nomination, the Clinton campaign paid to get access to the dossier.

 

3. With the except of the specific Republicans who paid for the original research, all of this has been public knowledge for close to a year and a half. Pray tell, which Democratic spoke people are denying what?

 

4. The only reason that this smoke screen is being bandied about i to attempt to distract information away from the indictment (or indictments) that Mueller going to be announcing on Monday.

 

5. As for the Uranium idiocy, the following is a pretty good summary

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-uranium-one-hype-and-law

[ldrews]

Damn, your stupidity continually amazes me.

 

1. Yes, research for the Trump Dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign. Campaigns conduct opposition research all the time. How does the fact that the Clinton campaign paid for opposition research constitute a felony?

 

2. Your account is at best incomplete. The bulk of the research into the Steel dossier was paid for by Republican Never Trumpers prior to the close of the Republican primary. Once Clinton / Trump had secure the nomination, the Clinton campaign paid to get access to the dossier.

 

3. With the except of the specific Republicans who paid for the original research, all of this has been public knowledge for close to a year and a half. Pray tell, which Democratic spoke people are denying what?

 

4. The only reason that this smoke screen is being bandied about i to attempt to distract information away from the indictment (or indictments) that Mueller going to be announcing on Monday.

 

5. As for the Uranium idiocy, the following is a pretty good summary

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-uranium-one-hype-and-law

 

1. Well apparently it was listed as "legal services" not "opposition research". This apparently violates FEC law. Also, foreign nationals (Christopher Steele, a British person) was paid to conduct research. This is also apparently a felony. Lastly, the primary sources for the dossier were Russian sources. This is not necessarily a felony but does indicate collusion with Russian sources to influence the 2016 election.

 

2. The Never Trumper funding, Beacon Hill, occurred and ceased before Christopher Steele was contracted with. The DNC/Clinton Campaign apparently picked the funding after Beacon Hill stopped and that was when Christopher Steele was hired. You need to get your timelines straight. DNC/Clinton apparently funded the research that produced the Trump Dossier, it did not exist before their funding arrived.

 

3. Tom Perez, Debbie Wasserman, some Clinton Campaign spokesman.

 

4. I am pretty sure that nothing is going to distract from Mueller's indictments. Rather you are using Mueller's indictments to distract from these new developments. Why is that?

 

5. Well, we will see what develops after the FBI informant testifies before congress, assuming he lives that long. Chuck Grassley, Senate Judiciary Committee Chair is calling for a special prosecutor in this case. And as I pointed out, the Wall Street Journal has called for Mueller's resignation. So apparently there is something there.

 

Your condescension and partisanship are showing badly. But I expect that from you.

[jjbrr]

ldrews, it's time to stop posting, bud.

[hrothgar]

1. Well apparently it was listed as "legal services" not "opposition research". This apparently violates FEC law. Also, foreign nationals (Christopher Steele, a British person) was paid to conduct research. This is also apparently a felony. Lastly, the primary sources for the dossier were Russian sources. This is not necessarily a felony but does indicate collusion with Russian sources to influence the 2016 election.

 

2. The Never Trumper funding, Beacon Hill, occurred and ceased before Christopher Steele was contracted with. The DNC/Clinton Campaign apparently picked the funding after Beacon Hill stopped and that was when Christopher Steele was hired. You need to get your timelines straight. DNC/Clinton apparently funded the research that produced the Trump Dossier, it did not exist before their funding arrived.

 

3. Tom Perez, Debbie Wasserman, some Clinton Campaign spokesman.

 

4. I am pretty sure that nothing is going to distract from Mueller's indictments. Rather you are using Mueller's indictments to distract from these new developments. Why is that?

 

5. Well, we will see what develops after the FBI informant testifies before congress, assuming he lives that long. Chuck Grassley, Senate Judiciary Committee Chair is calling for a special prosecutor in this case. And as I pointed out, the Wall Street Journal has called for Mueller's resignation. So apparently there is something there.

 

Your condescension and partisanship are showing badly. But I expect that from you.

 

Suppose that your right...

 

Fusion GPS did a bunch of research, then later on, Steel was hired to provide additional research?

So what? Who cares? It doesn't change the basic narrative.

 

I understand that the Wall Street Journal editorial staff has managed to twist their knickers up over this, but I don't see any kind of a felony. Ultimately, that sort of thing gets decided by the courts, not editorial boards.

 

(You know, those sam courts who are going to be indicting Manafort and/or Flynn on Monday)

 

FWIW, ou are correct about one a couple things.

 

1. I am partisan

 

2. I hold you in near complete contempt. FWIW, if I could push a magic button and it would kill you, I would do so in a heart beat. If I knew that it meant that you would suffer and long painful death than bankrupt your family, I'd do so even quicker... That's how much "value" I place on you and your loved ones.

[ldrews]

 

FWIW, ou are correct about one a couple things.

 

1. I am partisan

 

2. I hold you in near complete contempt. FWIW, if I could push a magic button and it would kill you, I would do so in a heart beat. If I knew that it meant that you would suffer and long painful death than bankrupt your family, I'd do so even quicker... That's how much "value" I place on you and your loved ones.

 

And I would submit you as the "Poster Child" of the liberal left. You are a fine representative. Keep up the good work!

[ldrews]

ldrews, it's time to stop posting, bud.

 

Why is that?

[ldrews]

Fusion GPS did a bunch of research, then later on, Steel was hired to provide additional research?

So what? Who cares? It doesn't change the basic narrative.

 

 

GPS apparently was hired by Beacon Hill to conduct opposition research on many of the Republican primary candidates, including Trump. They assert that they used only public resources in the US. After Trump won one of the primaries that ensured his eventual victory, Beacon Hill dropped the project.

 

DNC/Clinton hired GPS, via Perkins Coie, to specifically conduct opposition research on Trump. DNC/Clinton intentionally mislabeled the expenditure in their FEC reporting as "legal services". This is a felony. GPS, on their behalf, hired Christoper Steele, a British citizen, to conduct research. This is a felony.

 

Christopher Steele acquired information from Russian sources, suspectedly by paying for it. This may be another felony.

 

So the DNC/Clinton, via Perkins Coie, enlisted the Russians to provide information to influence the 2016 election. This is the very collusion charge that has been lodged against Trump. If you don't think this changes the narrative, you are living on a different planet than I am.

[jjbrr]

ldrews, how do you feel about seth rich? pizzagate? dijon mustard?

[jjbrr]

lol "this is a felony"

 

what a moron.

[ldrews]

ldrews, how do you feel about seth rich? pizzagate? dijon mustard?

 

I wonder about Seth Rich, have no opinion about pizzagate, like dijon mustard.

 

How about you?

[jjbrr]

ldrews, i know you won't actually do this because you don't actually know anything, but could you cite the laws that make those things felonies?

[jjbrr]

ldrews, where did you go?

[ldrews]

ldrews, where did you go?

 

Playing bridge. I will have to look them up and will get back to you when I have them.

[ldrews]

ldrews, i know you won't actually do this because you don't actually know anything, but could you cite the laws that make those things felonies?

 

http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/document/fec-complaint-hillary-america-dnc-failure-disclose

 

https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

 

Hope this helps.

[Winstonm]

That ludicrous crap above about felonies sounds like a pre-show meeting of Hannity's fiction writers. It's about the most ridiculous claptrap I've ever encountered. Unbelievable to actually believe; absurd to repeat.

[cherdano]

Nothing like a few funny posts from little Larry to lighten up the mood after a tense day of bridge...

[ldrews]

Nothing like a few funny posts from little Larry to lighten up the mood after a tense day of bridge...

 

Interesting response.

 

Do you disagree that the DNC/Clinton Campaign, via Perkins Coie, funded the GPS Fusion research that resulted in the Trump Dossier?

 

Do you disagree that an undercover FBI informant, with extensive documented evidence, is scheduled to testify before various congressional investigating committees on the bribery and extortion present during the Uranimum one negotiations?

 

Do you disagree that Senator Grassley is calling for a special prosecutor to investigate the Uranium One deal?

 

Do you disagree that the Wall Street Journal has called for Robert Mueller's resignation?

[cherdano]

LOL

[jjbrr]

I love the FEC's slogan: Protecting the integrity of the campaign finance process

 

It's almost unbelievable.

[cherdano]

I agree that Sanders has said that all women who have accused Trump of sexual assault are lying. I also agree that Roy Moore thinks the SC ruling on gay marriage was the worst ruling since the end of slavery. I also agree that according to the Washington Times, Hillary Clinton is the worst person in the universe.

[nige1]

I hold you in near complete contempt. FWIW, if I could push a magic button and it would kill you, I would do so in a heart beat. If I knew that it meant that you would suffer and long painful death than bankrupt your family, I'd do so even quicker... That's how much "value" I place on you and your loved ones.

:(

[ldrews]

:(

 

The anti-trump contingent seems to have a pattern:

 

Antifa physically attacks Trump supporters at Trump rallies and right-wing speeches.

 

An anti-Trumper guns down Republicans at a baseball practice session

 

hrothgar wants to kill me if he could.

 

Are you seeing the pattern?

[Winstonm]

I see the pattern: Trump lies; Fox and Friends re-enforce the lies; Trump supporters believe the lies and repeat the lies.

[y66]

Robert Mueller Sends a Message. Is this the beginning of the end?

[ldrews]

I see the pattern: Trump lies; Fox and Friends re-enforce the lies; Trump supporters believe the lies and repeat the lies.

 

Winstonm, you have my sympathy. Your logic and reasoning faculties are obviously on the decline.

 

The Washington Post is the one who reported that the DNC and the Clinton Campaign were the source of funds for GPS Fusion research that resulted in the Trump Dossier. Is that a lie?