billw55 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 When we were in Yellowstone a few years back there was a warning video about what can happen to people who try to pose for pictures with a bison. To me it is not only strange that people do not heed the warning, but strange that they even need a warning. I think it is somewhat the same with guns. The gun toter has a very optimistic view of what will happen next.Yes, but if the guy filming the bison has a gun then he is safe. Duh. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes, but if the guy filming the bison has a gun then he is safe. Duh. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gifNo, but if enough visitors to the park on the day that the filming is taking place have their guns with them, then he is safe. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 No, but if enough visitors to the park on the day that the filming is taking place have their guns with them, then he is safe. ;)That rather depends on how a good a shot they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 That rather depends on how a good a shot they are... Not according to the NRA - they say that gun availability is what keeps us safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Not according to the NRA - they say that gun availability is what keeps us safe.I suggest we throw a selection of loaded weapons into the chimpanzee cages of all American zoos then. That should further increase safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I've lived where I live now for the last eight years. Some six years ago, a couple of my neighboring apartments had tenants who, well, lets just say several times I came home and found a cop car or two in the parking lot. Once it was four. Those neighbors aren't around any more, and the current set seems much more peaceful. That's a good thing. One problem with guns is that people think that merely owning one is enough. It's not. You have to know how to use it, you have to practice using it at a decent range, and you have to be willing to use it when necessary. You also have to have the good judgement to know when it's not necessary — yet. Availability is another matter. I don't think the government should be in the business of telling citizens they can or cannot own guns. So did the Founding Fathers, or we wouldn't have a Second Amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Cruz is running a fantastic campaign, I actually think he's going to get the nomination which is not something I ever thought I'd say lol. He is just an incredibly savvy politician. *And just to be clear I hate his political views obv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Not according to the NRA - they say that gun availability is what keeps us safe.The mere fact that the bison knows that guns are available will make him think twice... ;) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Availability is another matter. I don't think the government should be in the business of telling citizens they can or cannot own guns. So did the Founding Fathers, or we wouldn't have a Second Amendment.Do you think it is ok for the government to tell citizens whether they can own a nuclear bomb or not? Or a bio-weapon? How about an RPG launcher? At what point does it become ok? A government has a duty to make its country as safe as possible for its citizens. Coming directly after a war of independence where the perceived enemy is a well armed and trained foreign army is perhaps a different time to one where the primary threat is internal from criminals, terrorists, attention seekers and, yes, normal citizens that misuse their weapons. The government has to make some judgment about this - the Founding Fathers may well have been right about what was safest for the fledgling America in the 18th century, in the 21st century the evidence supports a different position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Quiz: who said this? We've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems — our airports and all the other problems we have — we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that right now. We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Quiz: who said this?Thomas Jefferson? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Availability is another matter. I don't think the government should be in the business of telling citizens they can or cannot own guns. So did the Founding Fathers, or we wouldn't have a Second Amendment. In fact, it wasn't until 2008 that the NRA's version of understanding the Second Amendment was adopted by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 5-4 ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 To the Founding Fathers, "arms" meant muskets and cannons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 To the Founding Fathers, "arms" meant muskets and cannons. And before that, stones and handmade spears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 And don't forget that the FF were men of their time, and not everything they did or wrote/said should be enshrined for all time. Many of them owned slaves, for instance, and the Constitution allowed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Quiz: who said this?The next PotUSA? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ok this thread seems to have turned into "the govt would make us much more safer if it would just confiscate guns". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassedOut Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ok this thread seems to have turned into "the govt would make us much more safer if it would just confiscate guns".It is up to you to get this thread on track. That will give you skin in this game. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Good take here on the omnibus spending bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Good take here on the omnibus spending bill. I was particularly pleased by this paragraph:The intransigence of the hard right empowers Democrats. Mr. McConnell and particularly Mr. Ryan were forced to work with Democrats to fashion the big year-end package because they couldn’t be certain of enough Republican support for the spending bill. As a result, Mr. Reid and Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the minority leader, played outsize roles in writing the bill and, in cooperation with the White House, managed to keep out most policy changes sought by conservatives who were not going to vote for the legislation anyway. Republicans got to repeal a 40-year ban on oil exports, but Democrats got more. The thought that the extremes could be told to go play with themselves while more reasonable people get something done is a development that I have been hoping for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 I was particularly pleased by this paragraph: The thought that the extremes could be told to go play with themselves while more reasonable people get something done is a development that I have been hoping for. The sad oddity to me is that the hard right cannot see itself as equivalent to the Taliban, that the only people whom they consider "reasonable" are those who agree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 One problem with guns is that people think that merely owning one is enough. It's not. You have to know how to use it, you have to practice using it at a decent range, and you have to be willing to use it when necessary. You also have to have the good judgement to know when it's not necessary — yet. That seems like a good argument to limit gun availability to those who have the facilities and the skills, i.e. law enforcement and the military... Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/12/files/2015/12/quote-if-arming-for-selfprotection-worked.png If legislating for gun control worked, France would be one of the safest countries in the world. It clearly is not. What it is, is complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 Quiz: who said this? The Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 In fact, it wasn't until 2008 that the NRA's version of understanding the Second Amendment was adopted by the U.S. Supreme Court in a 5-4 ruling. Which, while true in its essentials -- individual gun ownership -- is somewhat misleading. Heller was the first test of that particular "understanding," the first SCOTUS case to address a legislative act attempting to restrict individual gun ownership (not including say tommy guns or auto weapons or ownership by felons, the "mentally ill" etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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