Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped?

[Chas_P]

The best QOP candidate for 2024 is old Jeff Davis who can lead the Confederate QOP'ers back to their Confederate roots. The QOP should spend all of their energy in trying to secede from the USA, and blue America should be encouraging and supporting their secession.

And I wish you happiness too Johnboy. Your antenna obviously is not picking up all the channels.

[johnu]

Anyone who disagrees with you is judged to be "racist", "misogynistic", "homophobic",

"islamophobic" or numerous other "phobics".

If the shoe fits, why are you offended to be called what you are?

[johnu]

Agreed.

Yes, Trump is a jerk. I truly hope the Republicans will pick DeSantis in 2024 (should he choose to run). But Trump is not dangerously incompetent. Biden is. (in my opinion)

Your lord and savior Manchurian President Trump will be disappointed that you are turning on him after being one of his biggest supporters the last 5 years. What happened, did he drain your bank account with recurring weekly donations you forgot to opt out of??? You voted for Trump 2 times (that is if you bothered to even vote at all). Why the betrayal??? Repent. Take out a loan and make a big contribution to the Manchurian President or he will send Eric and Jr to toilet paper your house.

 

Trump is not dangerously incompetent? Really? I guess incompetence is contagious if that's what you believe.

[johnu]

And I wish you happiness too Johnboy. Your antenna obviously is not picking up all the channels.

Says the Trump stooge whose TV has a broken tuner stuck on the Fox Propaganda Channel.

[Winstonm]

Wasting away in Libertarian-ville,

Searching for my Confederate flags

Some people say that Ronald Reagan’s to blame

but I know that I’m just insane

[y66]

What, no Roger Stone lyric (perhaps to the tune of Pancho and Lefty)?

 

 

Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Ala., pleaded guilty in federal court in Washington on Wednesday to helping lead a group that prosecutors say sent two tactically equipped teams into the Capitol and organized a cache of weapons in a hotel just outside the city. He also pleaded guilty to one count of obstructing an official proceeding, and he may face the stiffest sentence of any Jan. 6 defendant so far, according to preliminary sentencing guidelines.

 

As part of his plea, James agreed to cooperate with federal investigators, including testifying in front of a grand jury.

 

...Five other Oath Keepers, apart from the 11 charged with seditious conspiracy, have already pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with the government. But James is the first to plead to sedition, a rarely used and politically significant crime of conspiring against the U.S. government.

 

James did not make any statements in court other than to answer the judge’s questions. No sentencing date was set, which Assistant U.S. Attorney Troy Edwards Jr. said was done to enable James to provide his cooperation before the hearing.

 

The plea marks the first successful use of a sedition charge by federal prosecutors in decades. Federal law defines seditious conspiracy as two or more people who “conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States,” or act “by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.”

 

James’s defense attorneys, Chris Leibig and Joni Robin, said in a statement that he pleaded not to the first part of the law but only the second part, “preventing, hindering or delaying, by force, a federal law.”

[Winstonm]

Roger Stone ya when when sedition is your aim

and Roger Stone ya when gaslighting is your game

Roger Stone ya if the vote is really close

and Roger Stone ya just like Paul Manafort

but I would not go to jail alone

When they indict Roger Stone

[hrothgar]

Anyone who disagrees with you is judged to be "racist", "misogynistic", "homophobic", "islamophobic" or numerous other "phobics". I pity you. Truly I do. We are thousands of miles apart and our paths will never cross. But I wish you happiness. Please seek help.

 

Chas, there's enormous amounts of disagreement on the forums and a fair amount of personal animosity.

 

For example, I have zero use for LukeWarm, Al-U-Card and a host of others. However, I don't call them racists.

 

Almost no one gets labeled as racists.

That is something that you are inventing.

 

You might really want to sit back and consider why it is that multiple people on this site have labelled you specifically as a racist.

 

A couple years back you posted that you came here to play to provocateur.

Looks like people came to the conclusion that you're actually just a racist asshole and are treating you accordingly.

 

Maybe your decision on how to engage with the community was a bit ill founded.

[y66]

Roger Stone ya when when sedition is your aim

and Roger Stone ya when gaslighting is your game

Roger Stone ya if the vote is really close

and Roger Stone ya just like Paul Manafort

but I would not go to jail alone

When they indict Roger Stone

Copping to sedition Josh

Will not keep you free and clean.

But if there’s justice in this world

Roger will be eating the same cuisine.

[Chas_P]

 

You might really want to sit back and consider why it is that multiple people on this site have labelled you specifically as a racist.

I have considered that and my conclusion is because the Democrat party line is, "If you don't agree with us you're a racist." It's pitiful really.

[Chas_P]

Your lord and savior Manchurian President Trump will be disappointed that you are turning on him after being one of his biggest supporters the last 5 years. What happened, did he drain your bank account with recurring weekly donations you forgot to opt out of??? You voted for Trump 2 times (that is if you bothered to even vote at all). Why the betrayal??? Repent. Take out a loan and make a big contribution to the Manchurian President or he will send Eric and Jr to toilet paper your house.

 

Trump is not dangerously incompetent? Really? I guess incompetence is contagious if that's what you believe.

Actually I have long said that Trump is a jerk but I don't need him as a friend. That doesn't mean I disagree with his policies...secure borders, energy independence, strong military, etc. I don't think those policies demonstrate dangerous incompetence. If you do, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. But don't get your little panties all in a wad if I don't share it.

[hrothgar]

I have considered that and my conclusion is because the Democrat party line is, "If you don't agree with us you're a racist."

 

Well, it's not like folks every considered you to be particularly smart.

Nice to have further confirmation.

[hrothgar]

Actually I have long said that Trump is a jerk but I don't need him as a friend. That doesn't mean I disagree with his policies...secure borders, energy independence, strong military, etc. I don't think those policies demonstrate dangerous incompetence.

 

Pity that you're too stupid to be able to differentiate between

 

1. Trump's random claims on any given day

2. Actual sustained polices

3. Any actual progress in achieving these

 

How did that whole attempt at "Build a wall / Mexico's going to pay for it go"?

 

As I recall, the policy attempt collapsed into Trump's usual attempts at grift (much as what little "wall" did get built is collapsing into the dirt)

 

But that's OK, as long as Daddy is yelling into the camera, little Chas can pretend that it's still 1950 and that his dick might someday get hard once again...

[Winstonm]

Poor Trumpsters are like Germans in the 1930s; cherry-pick out of the barrage of misinformation what sounds like something you support and ignore the reality of what is actually being done.

 

The problem of Trump is not incompetence but that he is an incredibly competent grifter - and nothing more.

 

To see things from the Democrats’ POV requires two intangibles: empathy and abstraction.

 

The bulk of voting Republicans are white and either are not capable or suppress these two intangibles. Because of that, they are susceptible to propaganda focused on “the others”.

If a demagogue argued that we should tax all non-whites 50% and give that to poor whites as rent reparations because everyone knows the US was formed as a white European nation, it would be much easier for white Americans to agree because it doesn’t affect them.

 

To see non-whites as no different requires a degree of empathy and abstraction. Sadly, many Republicans seem incapable of seeing anything but white.

 

That is not racist - that is race-based thinking.

[kenberg]

Skepticism when listening to a politician is warranted but Trump took it to a new level. He does not yet acknowledge that he lost the election, or if he did I haven't heard him say so. He and his followers regard the Jan 6 insurrection as a tourist event.

 

This goes far far beyond not wanting him as a friend.

 

As to energy independence, sure, that's good. Saying that energy independence is good is hardly the end of the story. Same with secure borders. Who could object to secure borders? But it's not the end of the discussion.

 

I can't prove it, but I would guess that DT set a world record for the most number of people who once worked for him or did business with him or got involved with him politically and later wished they had never done so. Perhaps such an approach works, at least for a while, for making bucks with hotels and casinos but it is no way to conduct the business of a country.

 

George H. W. Bush was once president. Donald Trump was once president. Policies aside, there is a difference between these two men. A big difference. I hope the Republican Party can move back to where I might disagree with a view but trust the person who expresses that view. And backing off of his no new taxes pledge was needed. I can accept that he meant it when he said it and accept that he changed his mind. Overall, I trusted him. Trust Trump? You gotta be kidding.

One indication of a return to normalcy could be an acknowledgment that Jan 6 was not a typical tourist event. And that Trump played it as a game. And then yes, the Rs might even consider acknowledging that Biden won the election. I can think of other things, but until we get past these basics there is hardly any point in mentioning them.

[cherdano]

As previously stated, those like you Arend are really amusing to some extent and to be pitied to another extent. Anyone who disagrees with you is judged to be "racist", "misogynistic", "homophobic",

"islamophobic" or numerous other "phobics".

You know, reading comprehension helps when you want to win an argument. I didn't even call Trump racist in my post. I've never used the work phobic with prefix islamo on this forum, and I've only used it once with the prefix homo, accurately describing a common cliche, not a poster or person.

 

Anyway, this shall be the last time I've clicked on that plus to see a hidden reply from someone I've blocked. Enjoy your life, hopefully away from BBF, it doesn't do you any good.

[Chas_P]

But that's OK, as long as Daddy is yelling into the camera, little Chas can pretend that it's still 1950 and that his dick might someday get hard once again...

LOL. I wish you happiness Richard. This is only an internet message board and I seriously doubt any of the world's great problems will be solved here. Nonetheless, you just come across as an arrogant, foul-mouthed, greasy little turd who is mighty proud of the way he turned out. Your obsession with my (now infrequent) erections is really unhealthy. Please seek help soon.

 

Your friend in cyberspace,

 

Charles

[johnu]

I didn't even call Trump racist in my post.

Don't worry, I've called Manchurian President Trump a racist many times in my posts. The worst thing about Trump's racism is that he made is fashionably QOP to be openly racist and to flaunt their white nationalism. After all, if the president is openly a racist, it empowers his stooges to be opening racist since they were already at the limits of their self control to avoid being openly racist.

[Winstonm]

Joe Biden has more courage in his fingernail than the entire klan of Trump.

 

Courage is saying no to Russian oil, not sabotaging Ukraine in exchange for a Trump tower Moscow.

[pilowsky]

... has more courage in his fingernail than the entire klan of Trump.

 

 

Not a high bar. Most people have a fingernail.

[johnu]

Joe Biden has more courage in his fingernail than the entire klan of Trump.

 

Courage is saying no to Russian oil, not sabotaging Ukraine in exchange for a Trump tower Moscow.

In fairness to the Manchurian President Trump, he was hoping for a chain of hotels in Russia.

[y66]

You hate to see it ...

 

Another person pushing the lie that the 2020 election was stolen, Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson, paradoxically strengthened a lawsuit against the network. Smartmatic, a company that makes voting machines, has sued FNC over the many instances of FNC personalities falsely claiming that the voting machines had been part of a massive voter fraud in 2020. FNC says the lawsuit is “baseless” and an assault upon the First Amendment.

 

Today, New York Supreme Court Judge David B. Cohen ruled that the case against FNC can go forward because the statements of its personalities were baseless and reckless. One of the key points in the decision was Carlson’s own initial dismissal of Powell’s outrageous claims. Carlson’s repeated demands for proof of her claims and her inability to provide any suggest that FNC knew, or should have known, that Powell was lying.

 

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-9-2022?s=r

[barmar]

Agreed.

Yes, Trump is a jerk. I truly hope the Republicans will pick DeSantis in 2024 (should he choose to run). But Trump is not dangerously incompetent. Biden is. (in my opinion)

Trump has recently suggested that we could help Ukraine by sending our bombers, but dress them up to look like Chinese planes, so Putin wouldn't blame us. Imagine if he were still in a position to implement such an insane strategy.

 

And Trump's incompetence in reacting to the pandemic caused thousands of people to die.

 

What is your definition of "dangerously incompetent"?

[Winstonm]

Trump has recently suggested that we could help Ukraine by sending our bombers, but dress them up to look like Chinese planes, so Putin wouldn't blame us. Imagine if he were still in a position to implement such an insane strategy.

 

And Trump's incompetence in reacting to the pandemic caused thousands of people to die.

 

What is your definition of "dangerously incompetent"?

Democrat

[y66]

This was a tragic consequence of early-1990 deficit politics.

 

The more I look into what went wrong in Russia to lead to the rise of Putin, the more annoyed I become with the West, America, and Bush Sr’s failure to assist Gorbachev in making Glasnost and Perestroika into a success. There should have been a Soviet Marshall plan.

Richard Nixon, joined by a group of academics, called for a Marshall Plan approach.

 

It was criticized by conservative economists and the Bush administration rejected it due to “constrained resources.” Some guy named Joe Biden said Bush was being short-sighted.