whereagles Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 You hold, at imps all vuln, ♠ Kxx♥ J9♦ AKxxx♣ Axx Pard you1♣ 1♦1♥ 1♠2♦ ..? 1♥ shows 5-4 shape1♠ is 4th suit2♦ shows 1435 shape and around 11-14 points Your bid? Note: 3♦ now would be forcing, and 3♣ as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 3NT. K in pard's singleton does not get me excited. Pard has a max of 14 hcp. We could play for the perfect hand: KQxxx in clubs + AK in H + Q of diamonds. But IMO, this means hoping for too much. Pard could miss the Q of diamonds, or a club honor or have the Ace of spades (when our SK becomes even more useless than it is now) and miss honors in the other suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I like 3C. We are not going to play 3N with this hand. We will find out if we will play 5D or 6D. If 4D is RKC I think i will try that. Another possible seqence is bid 2N now, pd may rebid 3c/d/3n, then we pull to 4C. But I think this sequence should show very strong slam interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Question here not an opinion, what do you mean 1 spade is 4th suit, do you mean natural it is 4th suit or 4th suit as in an artificial force? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 3NT. K in pard's singleton does not get me excited. Pard has a max of 14 hcp. We could play for the perfect hand: KQxxx in clubs + AK in H + Q of diamonds. But IMO, this means hoping for too much. Pard could miss the Q of diamonds, or a club honor or have the Ace of spades (when our SK becomes even more useless than it is now) and miss honors in the other suits. :) Mauro, Are you sure you want to play 3NT ? You will have to find 8 direct tricks after a ♠ lead !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I bid 3NT as well.. Partner rates to be 1-4-3-5. Here we expect him not to have spade ACE, so his 11 to 15 points will be sprinkled into the other suits. To make slam, he has to be specifically, something like ♠x♥AKxx♦Qxx♣KQxxx Even here, you need the club suit and diamond suits to both split (5C, 5D, 2H), and this is the ideal hand for auction. 3NT makes easily enough on a spade lead here even if both minors fail to split. And with this hand, your partner would jump to 3♦ anyway. Do of course your partner doesn't (can't have) that ideal hand, instead he clearly probalby holds queen less (or same hand with Kxxx of heart or Axxx of hearts), so with... ♠x ♠x♥AKxx ♥AKxx♦xxx ♦Qxx♣KQxxx ♣Kxxxx 3NT is enough, hoping to run your long mnor (5C first case, 5D second). Someone once said don't play me for the perfect hand, I won't have it.. but don't play me for the worse hand either. MAking a slam try here or insisting on 5♦ seems unnecessary. Just bid 3NT and play normal bridge. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I bid 3C, id bid 3NT on my next turn. Im the last one who is scared to bid 3nt, but why not show partner my club fit first and that we have alternatives to 3nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 5♦ I agree a slam will be to pushy and I think a minor suit game should be equal or better than 3NT, since it's better to play from my side I'm bidding 5♦ first because it protects the sK from the lead and then because my second heart can be discarded in the clubs but pd's 4 hearts can't be discarded in my diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Im the last one who is scared to bid 3nt, but why not show partner my club fit first and that we have alternatives to 3nt. I think 3m strongly suggests we'll play best in a suit, and tends to deny S values.I would bid 3m holding the Spade Ace, the only honor not wasted in a suit opposite pard's shortness.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 ♠x♥AKxx♦Qxx♣KQxxx Even here, you need the club suit and diamond suits to both split (5C, 5D, 2H No, Ben, I think you only need the trump breaks. If C is 4-1 it is ok. And I think this slam should be bid and even it goes down I wont mind. Here though spade king is a waste, it is not much. As 1S is not necesarily real suit. 3N should imply 1S is real suit. But this is not the case and you do have club fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 what do you mean 1 spade is 4th suit, do you mean natural it is 4th suit or 4th suit as in an artificial force? 4th suit means it's an artificial bid, 1-round forcing and showing invitational or better values. We were playing Walsh, so if responder has spades he also has a game-force, in which case he now bids a natural 2S after 1C-1D-1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 3ntYes playing for 9 running tricks and yes not playing for p to have perfect slam hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 3♣. 2♦ may be a forced preference on a 2425. Lets see where this hand is going first before we blast. I don't want to torture pard with a 3N call. The delayed 3N shows a stopper, but shows some doubt as well. Isn't this the message you want to send? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 3♣. 2♦ may be a forced preference on a 2425. Lets see where this hand is going first before we blast. I don't want to torture pard with a 3N call. The delayed 3N shows a stopper, but shows some doubt as well. Isn't this the message you want to send? Sometimes it is hard to backup to 3NT on this auction to get in your Delayed bid... as it will be... 1C-1D1H-1S2D-3C4C or 1C-1D1H-1S2D-3D4C/4D After 2D, I have heard enough. But I agree with luis, if I am going for five of a minor, it is 5D, not five clubs, so I am not raising clubs.... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 3C... he can ask for nt with 3S, he can bid 3D.. he can bid 5C even... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 3NT. Dangerous, but I think it's better than 50%, which is better than the alternatives. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 what do you mean 1 spade is 4th suit, do you mean natural it is 4th suit or 4th suit as in an artificial force? 4th suit means it's an artificial bid, 1-round forcing and showing invitational or better values. We were playing Walsh, so if responder has spades he also has a game-force, in which case he now bids a natural 2S after 1C-1D-1H. Interesting, I like to reverse the meaning of 1♠ and 2♠. Everything is reversed these days, so why not this too. 1♠ is natural (1 round force), and 2♠ is artificial GF, denying 4 spades. I think it's better to show a natural suit as cheaply as possible. With some partners I play 1♠ as ambiguous: either spades or 4th suit. Opener assumes 4th suit and bids accordingly. So NT now confirms a spade stopper. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Just $0.02 worth- I don't play partner for the perfect slam hand, but my call is 3♣ since I think we probably ought to play this hand in 5 of a minor rather than 3NT, and it coincidentally leaves the door open if partner does happen to hold the magic hand. But that's just me lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Thx all. Here are the hands[hv=d=w&v=b&w=sxhakxxdqjxcqt9xx&e=skxxhj9dakxxxcaxx]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]A straightforward 3NT is indeed the good bid, though you can try 3♣ or 3♦ if you're feeling lucky. Just guess what pard bid.. 4NT(!!), followed by 6♦. Not good... I put the hand here just to make sure I wasn't missing something.. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 2N is as good as 3N at least. If you bid 3N, there is no way pd should do anything, if you bid 2N, with min hand pd can just raise to 3N. With max and control rich hand he can cuebid. 3N puts all egges in one basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 what do you mean 1 spade is 4th suit, do you mean natural it is 4th suit or 4th suit as in an artificial force? 4th suit means it's an artificial bid, 1-round forcing and showing invitational or better values. We were playing Walsh, so if responder has spades he also has a game-force, in which case he now bids a natural 2S after 1C-1D-1H. Interesting, I like to reverse the meaning of 1♠ and 2♠. Everything is reversed these days, so why not this too. 1♠ is natural (1 round force), and 2♠ is artificial GF, denying 4 spades. I think it's better to show a natural suit as cheaply as possible. With some partners I play 1♠ as ambiguous: either spades or 4th suit. Opener assumes 4th suit and bids accordingly. So NT now confirms a spade stopper. Roland We play 1S as artificial 4th suit because it keeps the bidding lower on strong hands. If you have a 5D and 4S and a game-force, you have a choice of bids: 1S or 2S, depending on what you need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 2N is as good as 3N at least. If you bid 3N, there is no way pd should do anything, if you bid 2N, with min hand pd can just raise to 3N. With max and control rich hand he can cuebid. 3N puts all egges in one basket. A maximum with controls but only a 2♦ rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Don't give up a ♠ void that fast, partner can have 6♣ still. 3♦ to me, if I am gonna play on a minor I Want it to be ♦, I can easylly see 2 losers, but not 9 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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