Pass, XX or raise?

[diana_eva]

IMPs, all vul. Your agreed style is very conservative openers and preempts (cayne style). What would you do here?

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Bonus question: Would you have opened?

[kenberg]

Even conservatives get frisky in third position. Still, I raise to 4.

 

Yes, I would have opened 1C. Maybe not if I were playing, and wished to continue playing, with Jimmy, However I do not anticipate this situation arising.

[steve2005]

I would raise. who knows you might make 4♥ on a good day. You have defense against 4♠ so u might beat that.

You expect 3♠ to make so passing and redouble make no sense.

[Cyberyeti]

Is 4♣ in the frame so partner finds the right lead ?

 

Yes I'd have opened 1♣.

[eagles123]

even with conservative openings this just seems like a really clear opening hand to me

[Finch]

It's not conservative to pass in first seat, it's barking.

 

If I bid now, then 4C is obvious.

[wank]

obv 4c. there's a game bonus to be had and we want a club lead. you could even find partner with a double fit and make 1250 (5hx+2)

[nige1]

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diana_eva asks ""IMPs, all vul. Your agreed style is very conservative openers and preempts (cayne style). What would you do here? Bonus question: Would you have opened?"

 

IMO you should have opened 1♣, Now, over 3♥, I rank

1. Pass = You have some defence.

2. 4♣ = Lead-directing.

3. 4♥ = Dangerous opposite a seat-3 pre-empt.

4. XX = Weird. [/hv]

[echo25]

I would open. Now 4c to show lead against spades.

[fourdad]

4C now, I would preempt the open w/ 3C.

[wank]

4C now, I would preempt the open w/ 3C.

 

oh dear

[diana_eva]

oh dear

 

5 tables did open 3♣ :) (14 passed, 13 opened 1C, 3 opened 2C in polish, precision or similar)

[Cyberyeti]

5 tables did open 3♣ :) (14 passed, 13 opened 1C, 3 opened 2C in polish, precision or similar)

 

Some of them might be playing 3♣ intermediate.

[eagles123]

I'm guessing this wasn't the highest standard of competition then lol

[GrahamJson]

An obvious 1C opener. 4C now looks reasonable. This must guarantee heart support given the original pass.

[neilkaz]

An obvious 1C opener. 4C now looks reasonable. This must guarantee heart support given the original pass.

Yes to this!

[beautyleg]

Your hand with 11hcp can be opened because you have one more trump than general 5cards. And then you would avoid the hard decision due to 1H responce of your partner.

Your best bid should be pass, obviously, because you didn't know how many hcp and points you had and the distribution. A good player should be conservative on bidding when he knows little of all the hand.

[zillahandp]

As they say best not to start from here [removed] so pas if you wish but if p has Seven tricks as promised you have 2/1/2 and defence will probably give you one so 4hts best, no point in bidding clubs Edited August 4, 2015 by diana_eva

[BillPatch]

As they say best not to start from here [...] so pas if you wish but if p has Seven tricks as promised you have 2/1/2 and defence will probably give you one so 4hts best, no point in bidding clubs

The primary benefit of the 4♣ bid is to warn partner of my side strength so we avoid the double game swing with strong club duplication when they compete to 4 ♠, also many single game swings with weaker duplication. Lead director is another way for 4♣ to win.

[ladydoc]

I've agreed with partner that bid of a new suit after the double of his preempt is for the lead, so my bid is four clubs, showing some heart support, and to lead clubs in case we don't win the contract.

[aguahombre]

"I need directions."

"Where are you going?"

"I don't know."

"Well, you can't get there from here."

[mycroft]

I think it's okay to pass this hand. Swap the black suits, not so much. I probably would open it, but I think it's okay to pass.

 

Now, if I can open 2♣...I'm doing it.

 

Opening this hand will likely lead to 1♣-p-1♥-X; whatever I do here isn't going to do anything to the opponents that will be as damaging as p-p-3♥-X; 4♣ or 4♥ (unless all anybody can make is 2M, and it's obvious, I guess).

[beautyleg]

Did those who refused to open 1C know the meaning of "honor card point" and "point"？It's the basic concept all beginners should know very well of bidding, please. And 3H had showed 7cards so you had 9trumps. Those who broasted of how good 4C would be really thought 6cards were much better than 9cards？I am extremely confused that whether it's for intermediate and advanced discussion.

[eagles123]

wow great point mate, what a relief it is to finally have expert analysis on these forums.

[mikeh]

Did those who refused to open 1C know the meaning of "honor card point" and "point"？It's the basic concept all beginners should know very well of bidding, please. And 3H had showed 7cards so you had 9trumps. Those who broasted of how good 4C would be really thought 6cards were much better than 9cards？I am extremely confused that whether it's for intermediate and advanced discussion.

Welcome to the forums. It is good to see new posters.

 

The downside of being new is that you may not be aware of the range of expertise here. For example, none of those who suggested bidding 4C were doing so in order to play in clubs. They did so to show heart support and a good club suit in case partner has a decision to make.

 

As for whether to open, most posters here would do so, and many would agree with the sentiments expressed by one of our strongest posters....passing in first seat is barking (mad).