Echognome Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Red vs White Imps You hold: ♠ 109x♥ ---♦ AQ109♣ AQ10xxx As dealer, you open 1♣. LHO bids 3♥ and 2 passes back to you. Do You reopen with a double? If not, do you pass or bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 double, kinda clear IMO. (ecept for thsoe who never reopen with void hehe, good luck on this guess). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Double ! Partner is waiting to transform !! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Double looks clearcut to me too. You will be slightly nervous if pard passes, but at least you have AQ AQ for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I double, but not without trepidation, since a lot of things can go wrong here. Still, normally RHO will have one or two minor suit kings, so my hand rates to make around 3 tricks, maybe 4 on a good day. Add a mearge 2 trick from pard and this should go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 If I reopen with a void, I want to have extra hcp more than if I were balancing with a singleton, not only 12 hcp of which clubs values are suspect in defemse (too much lenght, easily could be ruffed). In order to double with a void, I must have at least 15-16 hcp. Here I am not worried of missing 3NT, so I do not fear bypassing it.Bidding 4C will lose when pard has a trump stack and 3S goes down, but more often than not, these penalties with one defender void in trumps does not payoff as expected, so I give up the chances for penalty and settle for 4m. I am torn between 4C and 4D, probably I rebid 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 clear Dbl imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I don't like it, but I have no choice but to reopen in order to preserve partnership harmony. We are VUL and presumably parnter passed 3♥ waiting to hear us reopen with double. He saw we were red and they where white and still he did not bid 3NT himself direclty over 3♥. So, as much as I dislike reopening with a double when void in their suit, I have little choice here. I double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I don't like it, but I have no choice but to reopen in order to preserve partnership harmony. I think reopening is clear, to preserve pship harmony, but not necessarily with a double. However, I expect a good pd to accept that some hands have a ODR too high to reopen with double, and for thse kind of hands, settling for penalty shd be less rewarding than buying the hand. I would also like to know the full hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I happened to choose what I considered an eccentric 3NT. I agree with many of your comments that partner is waiting to pounce. In fact. partner's hand was ♠ AKxx♥ KQxxx♦ xx♣ 9x I'm not sure if it would have gone for 500 or 800. I was less concerned when partner had this hand type, than say when he had a heart less. Or, when he has a hand that isn't looking to penalize. I thought 3NT was more flexible in that I could run to 4♣ if doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I happened to choose what I considered an eccentric 3NT. I agree with many of your comments that partner is waiting to pounce. In fact. partner's hand was ♠ AKxx♥ KQxxx♦ xx♣ 9x I'm not sure if it would have gone for 500 or 800. I was less concerned when partner had this hand type, than say when he had a heart less. Or, when he has a hand that isn't looking to penalize. I thought 3NT was more flexible in that I could run to 4♣ if doubled. So did you make that?? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Yes. +660 when I guessed clubs and as expected the ♥A was onside. Small heart lead. Win K. ♣9 ran losing to K. Diamond out of desparation (obviously not best). 11 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I suggest this rule of thumb: The fewer trumps (hearts in this case) I have, the more partner has. Double. I have nothing to be ashamed of if he converts. Just compare this hand to Jxx--KJxxxKQJxx then everyone would agree that the actual hand is a good one for defence. If you don't double, you may just as well give up on negative doubles. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 If you play negative doubles, you are forced to double with this hand...Anything else almost seems ridiculous. Please don't suggest that the heart void makes double less attractive. I agree that it would be ownderful to lead a trump if partner converts double for penalty. With this said and done, your heart void makes it even more likely that partner trap passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 However, I expect a good pd to accept that some hands have a ODF too high to reopen with double, What is an ODF? ... distribution.. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 However, I expect a good pd to accept that some hands have a ODF too high to reopen with double, What is an ODF? ... distribution.. thanks I assume (assumed) that this was a typo, and he meant ODR, which stands for offensive to defense ratio. A high ODR means a hand disproportionately offensively oriented that is a very poor hand for the bidding. If you have bid weakly, your hand can still have high ODR or low ODR for the bidding so far. If you have bid strongly, the same can be true. You should consider your ODR with regards to what you have shown already. After opening this hand 1C, you hand is much better suited for a club or a diamond contract than to defend against 3H (voids in their suit is offensive, aces are neutral, queens in your long suits are offensive, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 However, I expect a good pd to accept that some hands have a ODF too high to reopen with double, What is an ODF? ... distribution.. thanks oops that was a typo :huh: , I meant ODR = Offense/Defense Ratio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I happened to choose what I considered an eccentric 3NT. I agree with many of your comments that partner is waiting to pounce. In fact. partner's hand was ♠ AKxx♥ KQxxx♦ xx♣ 9x I'm not sure if it would have gone for 500 or 800. I was less concerned when partner had this hand type, than say when he had a heart less. Or, when he has a hand that isn't looking to penalize. I thought 3NT was more flexible in that I could run to 4♣ if doubled. I don't think pard should trap pass with hands like this. While we'll frequently get 800, sometimes we'll get +200 when pard doesn't have the right hand for a reopening double and it creates a disaster. I very well might pass with the 3=0=4=6 hand for this reason. I don't expect to get rich off of 3♥ x'd and the odds of us making 5 of a minor seem remote with my xxx of spades. If pard chooses to trap pass, I much prefer a hand like AQTx of hearts and maybe an extra outside card, where 3N looks like an uphill battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 would reopen with a X...rho didnt raise, we know where the hearts are. However if rho had huddled and passed, i would pass. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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