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BBF vs JEC Sunday, July 12 at 7.30PM EDT (1.30AM CET)


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well we got thumped, no less than 6 double figure swings away

 

board 3:

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|eagles123,richie%20cor,gszeszycki,herbie22|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S67JH456TD4TC3489%2CS38KAH29QD39QACJK%2CS459TQH3JDKC567TA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%203%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%21%7Can%7Cforces%203D%20support%20for%20diamonds%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%21%7Can%7Cforced%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%21%7Can%7Cspade%20shortness%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%21%7Can%7CI%20think%20RKC%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cmc%7C11%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

vs

 

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|JEC,barmar,miamiwiz,jjones|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S67JH456TD4TC3489%2CS38KAH29QD39QACJK%2CS459TQH3JDKC567TA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%203%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%21%7Can%7C18-20%20balanced%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

Board 7

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|eagles123,richie%20cor,gszeszycki,herbie22|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S69AH7ADQKAC468TA%2CS2345KH48D34578C2%2CS78TJH9TJKD29TC3J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%207%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cr%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CHK%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

vs

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|JEC,barmar,miamiwiz,jjones|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S69AH7ADQKAC468TA%2CS2345KH48D34578C2%2CS78TJH9TJKD29TC3J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%207%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%21%7Can%7Cpuppet%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cr%21%7Can%7Crestaymen%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7Cno%20maj%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cmc%7C11%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

board 15

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|eagles123,richie%20cor,gszeszycki,herbie22|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S7KH689QD8QAC359T%2CS249H23TKD57JKC4Q%2CS36AH457D469TC268%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2015%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

vs

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|JEC,barmar,miamiwiz,jjones|st%7C%7Cmd%7C1S7KH689QD8QAC359T%2CS249H23TKD57JKC4Q%2CS36AH457D469TC268%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2015%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cmc%7C9%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

board 18

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|eagles123,richie%20cor,gszeszycki,herbie22|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S3JKH2579D37AC9TA%2CS4679QH8TD2TKC45J%2CS5TAHJQKAD5JC67QK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2018%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7C4H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cmc%7C12%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

vs

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|JEC,barmar,miamiwiz,jjones|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S3JKH2579D37AC9TA%2CS4679QH8TD2TKC45J%2CS5TAHJQKAD5JC67QK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2018%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7Cf%20ask%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cmc%7C12%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

Board 20

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|eagles123,richie%20cor,gszeszycki,herbie22|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S67QH3789QKD8JC47%2CS39TKH26JD7TKAC6K%2CS24JAHD234C389TJQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2020%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cmc%7C10%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

vs

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|JEC,barmar,miamiwiz,jjones|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S67QH3789QKD8JC47%2CS39TKH26JD7TKAC6K%2CS24JAHD234C389TJQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2020%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7C2C%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CCT%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

 

Board 22

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|eagles123,richie%20cor,gszeszycki,herbie22|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S79TQH68AD2589QC9%2CS458AH34JQDAC348K%2CS36KH7D367JC57TJA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2022%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7C2%2B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cr%7Cmb%7C3C%7Cmb%7C3H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cmc%7C9%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

vs

 

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|JEC,barmar,miamiwiz,jjones|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S79TQH68AD2589QC9%2CS458AH34JQDAC348K%2CS36KH7D367JC57TJA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%2022%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cr%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7Cscramble%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cmc%7C9%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

any comments appreciated!

 

thanks

 

Eagles

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After a quick look I cannot find anything significant that you did wrong. On B18 you just might have made done more on this basis:

2 = without detailed prior agreement would be a "help suit" game try from partner or similar showing slam interest. You do have help for partner's spades so just might have bid something less discouraging than 3, but with a 12 4333 and xxxx the 3denial is entirely understandable.

4 now says it was a slam partner was interested in spite of your denial so you cue 4 and after partner bids 4you might just try 5showing the ace. Then partner should get the message and bid 6.

 

OTOH partner has a spectacular hand and over 2might have just blasted 4NT and bid 6 finding you with 2 aces.

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Board 7 - try this line.

 

Trick 1 - heart ace

tricks 2-4 - cash the top diamonds

 

Running the heart is an illusion, and you want to keep an entry in dummy to ruff a heart. As it happens, it is quite lucky that when East has FIVE hearts West can't overruff. The ending is still a little messy (you may end up thankful that East has a singleton honour in spades), but you are better off when East is 2425 or similar, and on various other distributions.

 

Sure, you could have still made the contract as it went, but that required a precise reading of the ending.

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On 7, I need to review our notes for how we deal with interference over our Mexican 2. I obviously thought James's 3 was a transfer.

 

It was board 3. The bidding accident got you to an excellent spot.

 

You should play on diamonds (leading the J and unblock the 9) before playing trumps. Assuming hearts are not worse than 4-2, this only fails when the diamond loses and they can get a ruff with the short heart.

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