Help me with this one

[Fluffy]

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Match Points.

[akwoo]

LoTT says you should bid here with 18 total tricks. It's not possible for 3♠ and 4♥ to both go down.

 

Now, actually, with me holding ♠Qxx, there could very well be only 17 on blind play. But if I pass or double here, opponents will probably figure out that I have the spades, and so there will actually be 18.

 

So I have to bid.

[mike777]

I will try pass, conservative but I think 2s told my story.

 

adjusted roughly 9.5 loser hand, I have some defense.

[MrAce]

You invited pd, he rejected it.

 

I know everyone here thinks auto that pd has stiff ♠, but then again he is allowed to look at his own singleton and bid accordingly.

It is still tough due to being MP. You have a lot of negative adjustments, (Qxx and Qx) but you also have the 4th ♥ which is good.

I'd pass myself..

[apollo1201]

I would pass.

I can hope to set 3S with my defensive values, while partner despite his likely S singleton refused to bid game. I gave him all required info about my hand and he doesnt seem to think we have game, I have no reason to think differently.

I dont think 4H will work as a transfer to 4S, and X seems to be looking for trouble or giving away the SQ position.

[Finch]

I wish I had been able to show a 4-card raise last round, in which case I would defiinitely double now.

I suspect it is right to double anyway. It sounds strongly as if they are in an 8-card fit.

[MrAce]

I wish I had been able to show a 4-card raise last round, in which case I would defiinitely double now.

I suspect it is right to double anyway. It sounds strongly as if they are in an 8-card fit.

 

I'd double too had my hearts been only 3 card.

 

But if pd has AQ ♥ and a hand like Jx AQxxx xx Axxx or similar to this, I do not wanna sign up for a zero. All i know is, from my own experience of course, opponents who bids red vs white to 3 level if only with 8 card fit and not too many hcps, tend to have a singleton and sometimes they both have a singleton. I know a lot of people use the phrase "It is MP so what the heck.." but I found over the years that those bottom boards severely drop our % and are very hard to recover from.

 

Of course we can also get a zero by not doubling at MP. This hand just does not quite turn me on for some reason. I do not have a single card in my hand that I can confidently claim that it will score a trick!

[lamford]

I wish I had been able to show a 4-card raise last round, in which case I would definitely double now.

I suspect it is right to double anyway. It sounds strongly as if they are in an 8-card fit.

I think you are assuming that NS and EW are expert, but partner is void in spades, and the opponents have ten, assuming the hand is one I have already seen in another context.

[MrAce]

..... I have already seen in another context.

 

Where?

[lamford]

Where?

http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/71660-discrepancies/

 

There was a break in tempo by North, it would seem.

[gnasher]

http://www.bridgebas...-discrepancies/

 

There was a break in tempo by North, it would seem.

 

 

Next time you post a bidding problem and I happen to know partner's hand, is it OK if I tell everyone what he's got?

[MrAce]

http://www.bridgebas...-discrepancies/

 

There was a break in tempo by North, it would seem.

 

I see, interesting, thanks.

 

I totally agree with your ruling btw.

 

EDIT: I think Andy has a point. Seems like we ruined the topic for Gonzalo and probably for everyone else as well. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

[Vampyr]

 

EDIT: I think Andy has a point. Seems like we ruined the topic for Gonzalo and probably for everyone else as well. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

 

I think that lamford's comment pretty clearly indicated that partner's hand would be in the other thread.

[mike777]

I think you are assuming that NS and EW are expert, but partner is void in spades, and the opponents have ten, assuming the hand is one I have already seen in another context.

 

Unless we are told otherwise the rule of the game is to assume the opp and partner are true exp/wc players. :)

[Fluffy]

The purpose of this thread had already been fulfilled when the results were presented to the appeals comitee, not very succesfully though, full story at the other thread.

[beatrix45]

4♥. This might be wrong, but I can't help it. We do have 9 trumps. Plus, the opps have another chance to bid.

[nige1]

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Match Points.

[/hv]

It's likely that game is available for one side or the other but partner has already rejected your effort in that direction. Hence, IMO the calls rank:

1. Pass: Quacky with a possible slow trick in opponent's suit.
2. 4♥: Might make,
3. Double: 3♠ is less likely to go down if you double.

[Phil]

How many times have we been just screwed by doubling with a hand like this? A bunch of soft crap. They have some weird mesh or two suited fit and wrap 9 or 10.

 

I love kicking them in the teeth when they step out, but I think you need to pass here.

[Phil]

Double post.

[PhilKing]

It sounds like they believed the hesitation was not established, so there was nothing to consider.

[rhm]

Is that not a book situation where you have to DBL to protect your equity at matchpoints?

If they make 3♠ you will not get many matchpoints anyway.

Of course partner can and should overrule the DBL with his actual hand.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Phil]

Is that not a book situation where you have to DBL to protect your equity at matchpoints?

If they make 3♠ you will not get many matchpoints anyway.

Of course partner can and should overrule the DBL with his actual hand.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

And sometimes we have to accept our 30% board.

[karlson]

I'm really confused by this whole discussion. To me, any hand with a spade void is an automatic 4♥ bid over 3♠, and most reasonable hands with stiff spade should also bid. So I would double with some confidence. Certainly even if partner passed with spade void he will never sit for the double, as rhm says.

 

In fact I typically play that pass is forcing here (though I think the arguments are similar even if you play it's NF).

[gszes]

The minority report comes in with a thunderous

 

4h

 

The opps are at a monstrous disadvantage with this bidding and the vulnerability. They have both expressed doubt about being able to make game and we are the only unlimited hand at the table. The opps will have something like zero reason to assume they can set 4h so we can safely go down 2 and possibly even 3 (if they can make 4s) and still be better off unless they cannot make 3+ spades. With a 9+ card heart suit our defensive abilities seem severely limited especially opposite a p not interested in game (and probably short in spades). Heck 4h might even make and the danger of the opps suddenly pushing to game seems rather remote when they could easily have been running scared with 3s.

[rhm]

And sometimes we have to accept our 30% board.

Certainly, but this is not one of those.

I rather try for 100% when opponents are vulnerable than accept 30% whether they make it or go down one.

Even if chances are even whether they make or go down one, in the long run investing 30% of a board to gain 70% or slightly less is a good investment.

My other investments do not give me such good odds.

 

Rainer Herrmann