Wackojack Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 [hv=pc=n&e=s52hkdakjt9742c53&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1h1s2h]133|200[/hv] Your bid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 3♦. Yea I have 8. I believe 8 should be enough to bid them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 MP 3dIMPS 5d going down 2 undoubled at MP can be a huge disaster when opps can only make a partial. We need quite a reasonable amount from p not only in power but aces to make 5d. I admit it will be tough for partner to raise dia even if they hold the right minimal cards but i prefer to try and take a positive score at MP rather than worrying about finding a perfecto overcall opposite. IMPS is another story going down 200 opposite a partial is no big deal and since there is little to no way to reasonably search for the right cards from p I prefer to blast to vul game. IMPS also can win if opps can make game (an admittedly small %). This applies to MP as well but partial is a ton more likely to be the opps limit than game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 3D is normal. 5D is an interesting tactic. Everything else is wrong :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 [hv=pc=n&e=s52hkdakjt9742c53&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1h1s2h]133|200|Your bid[/hv] :) :) IMO 3♦ = 10. 3N = 9. , 5♦ = 8. 3♥ (UCB) = 7. 2N (if natural not a good raise) = 6. 2♠ = 5. :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 gszes probably has the right idea for IMPS. However, in a decent team event and as a frequent underdog in such event, we choose 3♦. 3♦ might not even be available to our counterparts with this hand, and this kind of low-road match-point oriented variance seems to produce the kind of swings we need to stay in the match. 5♦ commits us to playing there...doubled or undoubled; I would rather give the opponents room to underbid or overbid here and also give partner a chance to put us in the right place if we should be competing further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I like 4♦ should have decent chance to make. might not get doubled and opp get only one round of bidding to decide if they want 4♥. Also partner, still might have right hand to bid 4♠ or 5♦. IMHO 3♦ just doesn't get across the length and strength of your ♦ suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 noone plays 4d as natural 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 noone plays 4d as naturalClearly Steve does. Would you care to tell us more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Clearly Steve does. Would you care to tell us more?Only use splinters in opener's suit after an overcall. Should I have a hand interested in slam, or want to describe my hand and have ♠ support and another singleton bid my side suit which is forcing for me as an unpassed hand. It's pretty unlikely to have a splinter in suit other than ♥ so rather use it naturally. Would play fit jumps before playing side singletons. <edit> I forgot there was a raise, so a new suit wouldn't be forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I play 4D natural in all partnerships that I have agreed "no splinters in off suits" (most) and "no fit jumps except by passed hands or after we open 1major and they overcall 2 major" (most). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I like to play a style that very few advance are forcing. But i do get some strongish hand from time to time. I know that for many 2Nt is a 4 card spade raise but i dont care too much for this convention. Im wondering if 3m directly can be quite good (forcing ?) While 2Nt is competitive in one of the minor (lebensoshl-ish). Also is it sensible to play transfers here ? I do seems to get 10 times more trashy hand with a long minor than hands where i would like to bid 3m forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 3D is F (for most) and it seems like it leaves open the most options. The K of H may well be a working card as partner has some length and threfore rates to hold at least a partial control, maybe even the ace. I am not willing to commit us to 5D when 4S might be the best spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 3D is F (for most) . Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 I'd bid 5♦. It's unlikely that we'll be allowed to play this in a partscore, and I don't want to either defend 4♥ or be dummy in 4♠. 5♦ may well give opener a difficult problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 I like to play a style that very few advance are forcing. But i do get some strongish hand from time to time. I know that for many 2Nt is a 4 card spade raise but i dont care too much for this convention. Im wondering if 3m directly can be quite good (forcing ?) While 2Nt is competitive in one of the minor (lebensoshl-ish). Also is it sensible to play transfers here ? I do seems to get 10 times more trashy hand with a long minor than hands where i would like to bid 3m forcing. Given the relative frequency of good hands and bad hands, why would you want to make an ambiguous puppet on 9/10 of the hands? Whenever it goes ... 2NT (3♥) or ... 2NT ([4he]) you have just wrecked the auction for your side. Yes, transfers would work well, and they would also allow you to keep the 4-card raise - 3♦ and ♥ would both be raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 If 4♦ is natural then I bid that and would give very few points to 3♦ and 5♦. If not, I bid 3♦ but would give some points to 5♦ as well. If 4♦ is undiscussed then 3♦=10, 5♦=3, 4♦=2, other=0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 4♦ is fitted for me. I don't love 3♦ but I seriously doubt that the bidding is screeching to a halt now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 why would you want to make an ambiguous puppet on 9/10 of the hands? Its 10 to one when we compare trash to GF by advance. I would not use 3D as forcing, I would play 3m with the upper half of the range and 2NT with the bottom range with the rare GF i would cuebid. its mostly because we play this way elsewhere (2nt weaker 3X INV) and switching would be too dangerous but also because with 2NT with the stronger hand you will wrongside 3NT more often when partner got Kx(x). Normally im a Rubensohl fan but when its too unlikely that we dont have GF value I prefer the other ways. Also possible is to use X as artificial (lebensohl double) rather than negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think 3 ♦ is right here for several reasons. First, advancer must have good values and a reasonably good ♦ suit to take a free bid at the 3 level. Second, it's just possible overcaller might have enough for an opening bid. But it's more likely that with the opponents showing something like a minimum 16 count (11 opener/5 response) that partner has overcalled with less. If so, 3 ♦ may be a great place to play if the opponents don't push on to 3 ♥. Third, 3 ♦ keeps 3 NT in play as a possible contract. Fourth, if they bid on, 3 ♦ is a good lead director for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Another vote for 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I vote 3D forcing or not forcing. If partner has a good overcall he'll bid again, if he's got rubbish we probably won't miss game and if opponents bid 3H to me we can bid 4D which is about on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I want to jump to 3NT so badly, but I lack the courage to incur a zero from Helen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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