blackshoe Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=saq7hk62dk94c9732&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1cp1hp1np6cp]133|200[/hv] I was North. I wondered whether to bid 7♣, but I chickened out. So naturally I made 7 - and it would have been a top. Two pairs went down in 6NT (down 1 and down 2), two pairs in 6NT made, respectively, 6 and 7, two pairs in 5♣ made 7. One pair in 6♣ made six. Everyone else was in 6♣ making 7. One table it was played by South, every other table, by North. Not a whole lot of room to decide. Should I have bid 7? What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 6♣ is an awful way to bid under most circumstances. Too much room for exploration lost. Should have a very specific holding agreed a priori for this sequence. Imagine what could be accomplished after 1♣-1♥-1N-2♦(GF)... This is a "choice of strains and partners" bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 6♣ is an awful way to bid under most circumstances. Too much room for exploration lost. Should have a very specific holding agreed a priori for this sequence. Imagine what could be accomplished after 1♣-1♥-1N-2♦(GF)... This is a "choice of strains and partners" bid.Sure. Not concerned about that at the moment. All I want to know is whether, given the table auction, I should go on to 7. Also given, I suppose, that we haven't discussed what this auction should mean. At the table, what I thought was "partner thinks I can make 6♣ given his dummy no matter what my opening bid looks like". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 lets Min 4333 worst possible distribution lousy clubs no idea if off cashing ace what do you think ?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I wouldn't. Maybe if you had more aces, or unrevealed strength. When partner punts he's usually trying to hide some weakness that a more elaborate bidding would help opps to find a dangerous lead. If he gambles, you can't really over-rule him. With a decent hand with stoppers and whatever he had no reason to jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hi partner opens 1 ♠, you raise to 2 ♠ and partner bids 6 ♠. Should you go on? :8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Sure. Not concerned about that at the moment. All I want to know is whether, given the table auction, I should go on to 7. Also given, I suppose, that we haven't discussed what this auction should mean. At the table, what I thought was "partner thinks I can make 6♣ given his dummy no matter what my opening bid looks like".I constrain myself to answer partner's question 6♣ or 6♥. Nothing else crosses my mind with this hand, except to talk with partner later about not bidding this way. If we miss 7 Round, it will be an expensive lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 The King of hearts is trick-13, if my partner ever perpetrated this auction. No way am I choosing hearts as trump; CHO didn't ask me to do that. However, it seems if my guess is correct everyone in clubs would have made 7; that extraneous piece of information from the OP is something I wouldn't have at the table, so 7C it is. Oh, wait... a clue..only one person didn't make 7 in clubs, and only one time was the Club contract played by the other side. Therefore, my LHO has a heart void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alok c Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Awful bidding,but Without knowing the positions of SA & HK if south bids 6C then it must be raised to 7C may be just to teach him a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I constrain myself to answer partner's question 6♣ or 6♥. Nothing else crosses my mind with this hand, except to talk with partner later about not bidding this way. If we miss 7 Round, it will be an expensive lesson. You should convert to 6♥ here exactly never. Partner is not offering you a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.If partner needed what you have to make *6*, he could have asked :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 If partner needed what you have to make *6*, he could have asked :)This is true, but it appears that partner did not notice that there was some room between 1NT and 6♣ available to attempt to make that determination. I have a partner who likes to make leaps to slam like this one. The rationale is always that he doesn't want the opps to figure out how to defend the contract. Amazingly enough, the opps always seem to know what to do. I have yet to see such a bid result in a pickup, but I have seen them fail spectacularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.I am pretending that partner did ask -- that he is missing the filler in hearts for our 13 tricks. What partner did not ask is what strain we should be playing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monikrazy Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Pass 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 The form of scoring sometimes causes us to do the wrong thing and there is no convenient way to recover. It may have seemed more important to p to look for a heart fit and then there was no reasonable way to ever get clubs into the bidding when no heart fit appeared. This means unless our hand appears ultra special (IE the cards we hold could not possibly be better placed) we should not blindly raise a shot at a small slam into a grand. (ie your hand would not qualify) if you had Axx KJ Axx xxxxx where you might be able to pitch either pointed suit on partners 4 hearts AND there was no way for p to reasonably investigate for this holding (after 1c 1h 1N) go for it. Even with this hand do not be shocked if p was being a bit greedy shooting for 6 but that is something you can discuss later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=saq7hk62dk94c9732&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1cp1hp1np6cp]133|200| I was North. I wondered whether to bid 7♣, but I chickened out. So naturally I made 7 - and it would have been a top. Two pairs went down in 6NT (down 1 and down 2), two pairs in 6NT made, respectively, 6 and 7, two pairs in 5♣ made 7. One pair in 6♣ made six. Everyone else was in 6♣ making 7. One table it was played by South, every other table, by North. Not a whole lot of room to decide. Should I have bid 7? What do you think? [/hv] IMO Pass = 10, 6N = 9. 6♥ = 8. 7♣ = 7. If you pass and miss 7♣, then it's partner's fault.If you bid 7♣-1, then it's your fault :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I never bid 7 on an auction like this. If partner needed what I have to make 7, he could have asked.I think you should at least bid 7 with a round ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If you pass and miss 7♣, then it's partner's fault.If you bid 7♣-1 it's your fault :(Good point, Nigel. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Out of curiosity, what was partner's hand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If you pass and miss 7♣, then it's partner's fault.If you bid 7♣-1 it's your fault :(Absolutely. I would be less sure whose fault it is if it is 6♣-1. I personally would not have opened this hand. But OK, I have ♥K after all so if partner's 6♣ bid is reasonable then 6♣ is probably a reasonable contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think you should at least bid 7 with a round ace.I definitely don't. Partner seems to have made some sort of an educated guess w.r.t. our combined assets (including aces) and it's not up to me to correct it. I very likely don't agree with his bidding but that doesn't mean that I get to overrule him just because I have 2 aces and not 1 or 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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