how hard to pre-empt this crazy hand?

[goingoren]

okay just now on BBO I got dealt a wild hand. Unfortunately the host banned me from the table after I made my bid so I'm not 100% on the cards but I had 9! clubs to the QJT.

 

We are white, opponents are red (this is described as white / red?)

 

 

Bidding goes

Pass, Pass and it's my bid. My concern is if I pre-empt at the four level my opponents might still find a major suit game. I had a fairly weak hand and do not recall the exact distribution of the other cards. Maybe 3 diamonds one heart? I think I had around 8 HCP in total.

[eagles123]

FIVE CLUBS

[ArtK78]

FIVE CLUBS

 

Be careful when you use your voice of thunder. :)

[neilkaz]

Be careful when you use your voice of thunder. :)

OK so I will whisper that I'd also bid 5♣.

[nige1]

OK so I will whisper that I'd also bid 5♣.

5♣ :)

[billw55]

5♣ sounds right, although I would like to see the full hand before bidding. I always do this at the table, might as well stay consistent in the forum http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

 

 

We are white, opponents are red (this is described as white / red?)

Correct. Also called "favorable".

[Phil]

OK so I will whisper that I'd also bid 5♣.

 

You can't bid 5♣ without a big roar.

 

Its like trying to say geronimo softly. Ain't gonna happen.

[blackshoe]

"White/red" in North America, green in the UK. "White/white" would be white, i think, "red/red" would be amber or yellow, and "red/white" would be red. I'm kinda stuck here in NA, but I like the UK system better. B-)

 

5♣, and if the host kicks me for that bid, he goes on my "ignore" list.

[goingoren]

I bid 5♣. Really wanted to play it too! If partner has anything less than a maximum pass opponents could easily have game and they shouldn't have that hard a time finding a fit since they are both marked with shortness in clubs. I do not believe I have ever gotten such a long suit before.

[apollo1201]

I do not believe I have ever gotten such a long suit before.

 

I actually had a 10(!) card suit, ♣ as well, in the same pass-pass situation (not sure of the vul though). Despite having a Q-high suit (yes, I somehow managed to be lacking AKJ despite holding 10 out of 13 cards), I perpetrated the same 5♣ bid. So sign me in for 5♣ too here, and the host who booted you doesnt deserve much consideration imo.

 

For the record (that is why I remember the hand so well), I had a ♠ void and 3 non-descript red cards. LHO bid 5♦, raised to 6 by his partner. My partner led the ♣A, surprisingly cashing, and easily gave me my ♠ ruff after I had dumped the Q under his A. But it was an average as several of pairs also went down in 6♦ (after sequences starting by pass, 3, 4 or 5♣ in my seat).

 

BTW, did anyone has a longer suit once (in a non-prepared deal I mean)?

[wank]

not to say that 5c was wrong on this hand, but in general don't worry about your 4 level pre-empts letting them play game. pre-empting is about disrupting the opponents. they will assuredly be disrupted by a 4 level pre-empt - due to the lack of space they might stop in game when they have slam (very common because they won't want to voluntarily go past the safety of the 4 level to investigate slam and go down in 5), play the wrong fit, or play a good contract that goes down on bad splits (if you have 9 clubs partner will often have a very shapely hand that stops them making what ostensibly looks like a decent contract).

 

anyway pre-empting is not the same thing as sacrificing, i.e. wanting to play the hand yourself (doubled presumably) because it's cheaper than letting the opponents play and make their contract.

[Cyberyeti]

I actually had a 10(!) card suit, ♣ as well, in the same pass-pass situation (not sure of the vul though). Despite having a Q-high suit (yes, I somehow managed to be lacking AKJ despite holding 10 out of 13 cards), I perpetrated the same 5♣ bid. So sign me in for 5♣ too here, and the host who booted you doesnt deserve much consideration imo.

 

For the record (that is why I remember the hand so well), I had a ♠ void and 3 non-descript red cards. LHO bid 5♦, raised to 6 by his partner. My partner led the ♣A, surprisingly cashing, and easily gave me my ♠ ruff after I had dumped the Q under his A. But it was an average as several of pairs also went down in 6♦ (after sequences starting by pass, 3, 4 or 5♣ in my seat).

 

BTW, did anyone has a longer suit once (in a non-prepared deal I mean)?

 

I've had all 3 10s (10,3 10,2,1 and 10,1,1,1) and haven't had a decent board between the 3 of them.

 

I preempted harder than most on a QJ9 suit and lost 3 trumps on the 1,1,1.

 

I passed on ♣AKJ10xxxxxx, Ax, x, went 4♠-P-P I bid 6♣ and made it, was doubled at the other table

 

I held ♠AQJxxxxxxx, ♣xxx and knew partner had an 0454 18 ish count, bid 6♠ and the man with Kx onside found the X so I got a pairs bottom. The bottom in the opposite direction was found by a some time partner of mine who was the only other person to find the X, his partner led his stiff trump.

[mikestar13]

5♣ stands out a mile--strengthen the trumps to ♣ KQJ... and I would consider opening 6♣ if in a partnership that wouldn't take this as a 12-trick hand.

[apollo1201]

Thanks Cyberyeti for tgese entertaining stories. I’LL dedicate my next 10 (or 11 lol) card suit to you!

[billw55]

I passed on ♣AKJ10xxxxxx, Ax, x, went 4♠-P-P I bid 6♣ and made it, was doubled at the other table

You start from pass then jump in at 6♣ and don't get doubled? Your opponents must know you very well http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

[ArtK78]

You start from pass then jump in at 6♣ and don't get doubled? Your opponents must know you very well http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

Passing originally and then leaping to a slam is highly suspicious, to say the least.

[wank]

You start from pass then jump in at 6♣ and don't get doubled? Your opponents must know you very well http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif

 

only idiots would double. you don't jump in the passout seat as a pre-empt do you?

[Vampyr]

"White/red" in North America, green in the UK. "White/white" would be white, i think, "red/red" would be amber or yellow, and "red/white" would be red. I'm kinda stuck here in NA, but I like the UK system better. B-)

 

Very few people use this.

[Lanor Fow]

I've heard green and red a lot, white less and amber/yellow very rarely

[blackshoe]

Very few people use this.

 

I've heard green and red a lot, white less and amber/yellow very rarely

:unsure: It seemed common when I was over there. Granted that was one small part of the country (around Portsmouth) and twenty some years ago.

[steve2005]

not to say that 5c was wrong on this hand, but in general don't worry about your 4 level pre-empts letting them play game. pre-empting is about disrupting the opponents. they will assuredly be disrupted by a 4 level pre-empt - due to the lack of space they might stop in game when they have slam (very common because they won't want to voluntarily go past the safety of the 4 level to investigate slam and go down in 5), play the wrong fit, or play a good contract that goes down on bad splits (if you have 9 clubs partner will often have a very shapely hand that stops them making what ostensibly looks like a decent contract).

 

anyway pre-empting is not the same thing as sacrificing, i.e. wanting to play the hand yourself (doubled presumably) because it's cheaper than letting the opponents play and make their contract.

I agree, so what happens if you have a better pre-empt and actually mean 5C so partner can raise intelligently to 6C.

 

You open this hand 5C and partner will never know when to bid 6C

 

 

 

 

[rmnka447]

5 ♣ in a flash!!