billw55 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 After his negative 2♦response,I don't think partner will be even remotely interested in a slam(if he was,he wouldhave made a positive response on the previous round ) so bidding 4NT will achieve nothing except to make an alreadypotentially difficult contract even more challenging to fulfil. :(The OP did not state that 2♦ was agreed as negative, or that he took it as such. That is an assumption on your part. In fact many partnerships use 2♦ as game forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Is 2♦ negative taught as default to most beginners in the US ? It is here. I deliberately didn't mention Kokish (which I play) due to being in the N/B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 2D may or may not have promised a negative, but in an N/B context I would expect it to contain all negative possibilities even if it contains some positives.Furthermore, while 2D might not at the time promise a negative, I think his follow-up of 3N does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Just want to emphasize this since several posters are basing their responses on the assumption that 2♦ was negative. 2♦ response is not necessarily negative. Unless you specifically agree with partner that 2♦ is negative, I would say you should not assume it promises nothing. On this particular hand, as the auction went, I'm not convinced there's much else you can do over partner's 3NT. While 2D wont mean a bust hand by default, it could still be a bust hand so you're kinda trapped.I know pairs who have agreed 2♦ is negative. When asked what "negative" means in this context, they have no clue. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcilkley Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 ♠ A64♥ AQJ♦ AQJ96♣ AK They all pass to me (obviously, I got all the points), and the uncontested bidding goes me 2c partner 2dme 3dpartner 3NT. Should I have bid 2nt myself over 2d? or how else should I have bid this hand? Assuming 2c is your only strong bid then this ideal for the Kikish relay - 2c-2d-2h! which shows either strong with hearts or 25+ balanced. Partner relays 2s to ask which. Then 2nt shows a balanced 25+ while any other bid shows strong with hearts.After the 2nt you can then use 5 card Stayman or transfers to find the best contract. Bidding 3d is probably not a good choice. Strong balanced hands are usually much better in NT For me, the 2d reply to 2c is a negative (you need to agree with partner what constitutes a positive hand opposite a 2c opener). With a positive hand responder can bid a 5+ card suit or else show a positive, balanced hand. Bidding 2nt to show this is not a great idea since opener cannot then bid 2nt (and allow you to use Stayman to find a 4-4 fit. It is a good idea to swithch the meanings of 2nt and 2h so that 2h response can show a positive hand but with no 5+ card suit to bid while 2nt now shows a positive hand with 5+ hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 No one said that the 2♦ reply was negative. That is why I left open the possibility that partner could have 8 or more HCP for his 2♦ response in my previous post.Since the 2♦response wasn't alerted or if no prior agreement was reached,I would be entitled to think it was negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 After his negative 2♦response,I don't think partner will be even remotely interested in a slam(if he was,he wouldhave made a positive response on the previous round )This is incorrect. You sometimes want to keep the bidding low because 2♣ already ate a lot of space. In my partnership we only bid major-suit positives (8+ HCP, good 5+ card suits), the minor and NT positives just take up too much room so we let opener tell us what they have first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Is 2♦ negative taught as default to most beginners in the US ? It is here. ... I was under the impression that while it is possible to agree to play 2D negative, most people would play it either as "waiting" or as positive and GF. I went through BBO's stock convention cards to see what the treatments proposed there are. Looks like 2D is negative in Acol, but not in SAYC and variations, nor in Italian Standard. SEF, Polish club and Precision don't play 2C as a strong opener, so I skipped those but here's what the other CCs show as "default": Simple Modern Acol:2C strong, artif, GF (except 2C-2D-2NT) GIB CC:2C strong, 22+ HCP or 9+ tricks2D waiting, denies good suit BBO Advanced 1.32C strong, 2D waiting - artificial, game force ACBL SAYC2C strong, 2D waiting, denies good suit BBO Advanced (2/1=Game Force)2♣=strong: 2♦=waiting, 2♥=negative, 2NT=♥ positive SAYC - Standard American Yellow Card2♣=strong: 2♦=waiting SAYC - BBO Standard - SAYC based2C strong, 2D artificial, forcing, waiting, any strength Standard English Acol2C strong, 2D artificial, forcing, negative Goren KISS2C strong, 2D artificial, forcing, negative or waiting BBO ITA2C strong, 2D artificial relay, waiting, not necessarily negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Since the 2♦response wasn't alerted or if no prior agreement was reached,I would be entitled to think it was negative.You choice of course. But you run a risk of being wrong. Methods following a forcing opening vary widely, hence assumptions are risky. In a pickup partnership with no agreement, I would take 2♦ as nothing more than a relay, containing no other information at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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