Wide range jump raise

[1eyedjack]

[hv=sn=1eyedjack&s=SA7652HKDAKJ6CKJ9&wn=Robot&w=ST4HQT984DQ542C65&nn=Robot&n=S83H2D9873CAQ8743&en=Robot&e=SKQJ9HAJ7653DTCT2&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=P1H(Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20%21H%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)1S(One-level%20overcall%20--%205+%20%21S%3B%208-17%20HCP%3B%209)2H(Free%20major%20raise%20--%203+%20%21H%3B%206-10%20total%20points)D!(Responsive%20double%20--%204+%20%21C%3B%204+%20%21D%3B%205-%20%21H%3B%202-%20%21S%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%208-12%20total%20points)P4D(4+%20%21D%3B%205+%20%21S%3B%208-17%20HCP%3B%209-19%20total%20point)PPP&p=C6C3CTCKDAD5D3DTDKD4D7H7CJC5C4C2C9D2C7H6DQD8H3D6H4H2HAHKSKSASTS3S2S4S8SJSQS5HTD9&c=9]400|300[/hv]

 

MP, Instant.

 

After North's X, the description for 3D is identical to that of 4D.

 

As it happened I got out rather lucky, although I intended 4D to be forcing. Given the values attached to the bid, clearly it is not. But I lived in hope that the there was a description/meaning mismatch.

 

I do feel that 4D should show a stronger hand than 3D, even if it is non-forcing (and North is weak enough to pass any non-forcing raise by South. Do we agree with the double?)

[steve2005]

I wouldn't want North Gib to make a negative double with that hand opposite an opening never mind an overcall. It just doesn't have the values 8 tp isn't enough to force to the 3-level. It's ♦ are crap if you don't have awesome ♦ and awesome hand it's a disaster. And again it's counting it's ♠ shortness.

 

Look what happens if Gib passes, you'll balance with a double and now it can bid it's nice ♣ suit 3♣ which will be a much safer spot if your ♦ aren't so good.

[iandayre]

Once again, not a programming issue, a poor description. Of course 4D must be stronger than 3D, although it should be non-forcing.

 

Personally I am OK with N making the responsive double with that hand. It's aggressive but the shape makes the hand worth competition, and if partner rebids Spades that's not awful.