Cyberyeti Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 i'm not sure what to tell you except that these people simply see the world differently than you and i. is it really a surprise that when the lowest common denominator from a country with wacky alcohol laws/culture are presented with possibly unfamiliar alternatives that they stick with what they're familiar and with what they've been conditioned to think is good/patriotic/ooooh look at the clydesdale and the cute dalmation? I think it's cultural, people from many other countries go abroad to experience foreign culture. Brits are not immune to this, going to Benidorm on holiday then drinking LCD British beer and having fish and chips every evening (usually while acquiring a colour only normally seen on a lobster), but this has reduced over the years, it was extremely common 30 years ago. The US seems to have a higher proportion that if they want to go abroad at all, want to have McDonalds then a Bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think it's cultural, people from many other countries go abroad to experience foreign culture. Brits are not immune to this, going to Benidorm on holiday then drinking LCD British beer and having fish and chips every evening (usually while acquiring a colour only normally seen on a lobster), but this has reduced over the years, it was extremely common 30 years ago. The US seems to have a higher proportion that if they want to go abroad at all, want to have McDonalds then a Bud. I know this is the FIFA thead but this interests me so maybe I will be forgiven. I agree with the above comments, particularly the "extremely common 30 years ago" part. This has a lot to do with age. I always enjoy traveling, but I don't do it all that often. Growing up in Minnesota I regarded a trip to Wisconsin as traveling. Once, when I was eight, we even went to Chicago.It takes effort to change habits of thought. As to beer, you might find this amusing. As I started drinking beer (illegally) in the 1950s Hamm's was the big beer on the block. In fact "have a Hamm's" was sort of like "Xerox this article", the latter not always being done with a machine made by Xerox. Anyway, in the early 60's some bars started serving Lowenbrau. No one knew how to pronounce it (this was before Lowenbrau moved to St. Louis and, so to speak, took out American citizenship), but we understood it had snob appeal. I was in a bar with friends, we were all ordering Lowenbrau and commenting on its superiority. I had more of a "beer is beer" attitude. As we were leaving, the bartender confided to me that they had run out of Lowenbrau hours ago and had been serving Hamm's. He figured, correctly, no one would notice. When I travel I have little interest in guided tours and I mostly stay out of chain outlets, US based or otherwise. The Starbucks in Paris was an exception. French coffee is fine but it is, or was, served in cups that hold maybe 2 ounces. I want a grande, Or a vente. Apparently the French agree, the Starbucks was crowded and by no means was everyone chattering in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sorry I'm late to the topic, please someone tell me, are they finally going to remove all Real Madrid's titles since they all had some kind of bribe to the refery involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sorry I'm late to the topic, please someone tell me, are they finally going to remove all Real Madrid's titles since they all had some kind of bribe to the refery involved? I sure as hell hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Sorry I'm late to the topic, please someone tell me, are they finally going to remove all Real Madrid's titles since they all had some kind of bribe to the refery involved?And give them all to the team who can most act like a victim? "Evil Real Madrid, they're all about the profits. They are not as pure and innocent as us since we only take in 230 million dollars every year." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think a joint WC between several Caribbean countries would be interesting and tons of fun if possible and if people want to entertain ideas for hosts besides the obvious Australia, England, France, US, etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think a joint WC between several Caribbean countries would be interesting and tons of fun if possible and if people want to entertain ideas for hosts besides the obvious Australia, England, France, US, etc The cricket world cup has happened on that basis, but I suspect the stadia wouldn't really be big enough or have the right facilities, and unlike Qatar, the islands don't have the money to build a load of white elephant huge stadia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I can only hope that the Fifa thread becomes the destruction of Fifa. The world cup belongs to Fifa. It does not deserve to exist. Let the competition in; be it one or ten thingy=== ------------------------------- With all of that suggested I predict fans. the customers who pay billions to Fifa and its sponsors will continue to funnel billions upon billions to Fifa they will forget and forgive the world cup must exist no matter what no matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 I can only hope that the Fifa thread becomes the destruction of Fifa. The world cup belongs to Fifa. It does not deserve to exist. Let the competition in; be it one or ten thingy=== ------------------------------- With all of that suggested I predict fans. the customers who pay billions to Fifa and its sponsors will continue to funnel billions upon billions to Fifa they will forget and forgive the world cup must exist no matter what no matter what You are talking about a game which its roots go way back to 2nd century BC. And you are talking about a world cup that actually all nations on earth participates. Do not confuse it with what we call "World Series" here in USA. You are talking about the real world series of a sport. A sport that is THE MOST popular and loved by HUGE majority of the world. You have been repeating this nonsense god knows how many times in same thread. We had corrupted cops, still have, but we do not terminate the law enforcement do we?We had much more corruption than FIFA, which probably makes FIFA look like a "nun", in all branches of government, justice system, but we do not terminate the country now do we? Yes The World Cup must exist and it will. You better get used to it Mike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 We had corrupted cops, still have, but we do not terminate the law enforcement do we?We had much more corruption than FIFA, which probably makes FIFA look like a "nun", in all branches of government, justice system, but we do not terminate the country now do we?Maybe we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 Maybe we should. Senor, senor, can you tell me where we're headin ? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon ?...Senor, senor, let's overturn these tables Disconnect these cables This place don't make sense to me no more Can you tell me what we're waiting for, senor ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 You are talking about a game which its roots go way back to 2nd century BC. And you are talking about a world cup that actually all nations on earth participates. Do not confuse it with what we call "World Series" here in USA. You are talking about the real world series of a sport. A sport that is THE MOST popular and loved by HUGE majority of the world. You have been repeating this nonsense god knows how many times in same thread. We had corrupted cops, still have, but we do not terminate the law enforcement do we?We had much more corruption than FIFA, which probably makes FIFA look like a "nun", in all branches of government, justice system, but we do not terminate the country now do we? Yes The World Cup must exist and it will. You better get used to it Mike. FIFA is not a government agency. YOur analogy is silly. Companies fail all the time. Companies go out of business all the time. Yet you insist on comparing FIFA to the police force is silly. btw countries do at times cease to exist, even in our lifetimes. INdeed countries have been terminated and replaced. Let FIFA cease to exist and it will be replaced by something or perhaps ten somethings. Let the competition in. :) ----- With all of the above said, clearly the fans and customers will continue to funnel billions into the pockets of FIFA, they will forgive and forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 FIFA, the organization, is not the problem here. Organizations aren't corrupt. People are corrupt. Get rid of the corrupt people (which may be all of them) and FIFA will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 FIFA, the organization, is not the problem here. Organizations aren't corrupt. People are corrupt. Get rid of the corrupt people (which may be all of them) and FIFA will be fine.I must be dense. I don't see the distinction between FIFA the organization and the people who make up FIFA. If the organization is so corrupt that it is impossible to clean it up, it should be done away with. That may be the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 FIFA, the organization, is not the problem here. Organizations aren't corrupt. People are corrupt. Get rid of the corrupt people (which may be all of them) and FIFA will be fine. FIFA the organization IS the problem due to its structure which encourages corruption. It requires not only getting rid of the people but completely reorganising how FIFA works. This is effectively scrapping FIFA and starting again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Okay. Not that I like the idea much, but FIFA is a corporation. Corporations exist with the permission of governments. So all that has to be done is to convince the (probably corrupt) government(s) that give FIFA permission to exist to withdraw those permissions. From their website: "an association governed by Swiss law". Switzerland may be less corrupt than most, I don't know. Two hundred nine "member associations". How many of them are corrupt also? Now it gets harder. :unsure: :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 The problem is that it doesn't take much money in cosmic terms to buy the football association of some obscure small country, at than point I have as much voting power in FIFA as Germany, but I'm a lot cheaper to buy, so I get lots of bribes and get fabulously wealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 The problem is that it doesn't take much money in cosmic terms to buy the football association of some obscure small country, at than point I have as much voting power in FIFA as Germany, but I'm a lot cheaper to buy, so I get lots of bribes and get fabulously wealthy. Wow. That sounds like the U.S.A. business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Wow. That sounds like the U.S.A. business model. Yes, I see a business opportunity here. And right now the prices may be down a bit. Let's get with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 but FIFA is a corporationFIFA is a not-for-profit organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Wouldn't it be a major legal mess to take the WC away from Russia and Qatar? Wouldn't it be more feasible for UEFA and CONMEBOL to arange and alternative WC between them and then stay away from the FIFA WC? Just let FIFA die a natural death and build up a new organization to replace it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 FIFA, the organization, is not the problem here. Organizations aren't corrupt. People are corrupt. Get rid of the corrupt people (which may be all of them) and FIFA will be fine. There is a lot of money in FIFA involved ( other world sport federations are financially light years away) There are 207 members with equal rights = one federation, one vote FIFA will be fine only if yellow and orange will dominate this world map of Transparency International. Maybe in the year 2068 or so... http://www.google.de...xcBioLqXNr4bm0Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Clearly there is one simple way to reduce corruption in international soccer. Ban international soccer.It will not rid corruption but it will reduce it. I actually do not have problem with FIFA being terminated. I have problem with the above comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 There is a lot of money in FIFA involved ( other world sport federations are financially light years away) There are 207 members with equal rights = one federation, one vote FIFA will be fine only if yellow and orange will dominate this world map of Transparency International. Maybe in the year 2068 or so... http://www.google.de...Aw&ved=0CAkQ8wc www.google.de/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.thelocal.no/userdata/images/article/ee42f418a4ea1508e5a991b5213c7a7a455454d695496ebf41881063c0ce63a6.jpg&sa=X&ei=6Ih0VZ2UIcOksAGL1byYDA&ved=0CAUQ8wc4Fg&usg=AFQjCNEwaDM4ACkjVTdxcBioLqXNr4bm0Q I'd say there's a pretty good correlation between the red areas and federations that vote for Blatter ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 FIFA is a not-for-profit organization.I said it was a corporation. I said that as a lead in to the fact that governments regulate corporations. "not-for-profit" is irrelevant to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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