KurtGodel Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 You are not allowed any form of leaping Michaels, the question is not what system are you playing, it's what are you going to bid given your limited options. It's teams. The full deal is: [hv=pc=n&s=sak754h5djckqjt53&w=sq2hkjt7432d93ca9&n=sjt86ha9dk872c742&e=s93hq86daqt654c86&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=2d3cppp]399|300[/hv]I was apparently the only one who didn't get to game, as every other hand either bid 2♠, or LHO bid 3♥, allowing you a second bite at the cherry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 So not only am I not allowed to play Leaping Michaels, I'm presumably being forced to play penalty doubles as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 what would 3d be here?strong hand old fashion or both majors or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 So not only am I not allowed to play Leaping Michaels, I'm presumably being forced to play penalty doubles as well?I don't think that's a valid comment. The hand is not very interesting if you play leaping Michaels, as I presume you would just use it. You are welcome to have takeout doubles. I think 3♦ is probably just the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I don't think that's a valid comment. The hand is not very interesting if you play leaping Michaels, as I presume you would just use it. You are welcome to have takeout doubles.Well, you didn't list it as a poll option even though it seems like a pretty strong candidate to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 You are not allowed any form of leaping Michaels. Why not? The main thing I take away from this hand is that a conventional method for showing strong 2-suiters over a preempt is really important! Without leaping Michaels, no bid adequately describes this hand. Regarding the auction you had at the table, I think North has a obvious 3NT bid over the 3C. (Assuming your playing IMPs or Rubber) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Stuck without leaping I just bid 3C and expect to have another chance. I really do not have so much in hcv and with a weak hand opening I see no real problem as I highly doubt partner is going to pass. If he bids 3N I have 4S available. If they bid H perhaps paarntr can dble to show S, and if not I will bid them myself at what ever level is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Why not? The main thing I take away from this hand is that a conventional method for showing strong 2-suiters over a preempt is really important! Without leaping Michaels, no bid adequately describes this hand. Regarding the auction you had at the table, I think North has a obvious 3NT bid over the 3C. (Assuming your playing IMPs or Rubber)Yes, if p can bid over 2♠ with K♦ not working they can bid 3N over 3♣ where K♦ is a stopper and stopper in all suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Why not? The main thing I take away from this hand is that a conventional method for showing strong 2-suiters over a preempt is really important! Without leaping Michaels, no bid adequately describes this hand. Regarding the auction you had at the table, I think North has a obvious 3NT bid over the 3C. (Assuming your playing IMPs or Rubber)I am not disputing that, I play the method myself, but I could not on this particular occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 3c This is not without risk since we all too easily can miss 4s. The 3c bid offers a lot of flexibility in return for this risk. We might be able to play in clubs nt or even spades and possibly even make slam bidding easier (especially in clubs). X has some benefit but really isnt as safe or flexible as 3c the odds of 3dx being right are really slim and it may actually make reaching 3n harder than the 3c bid. 3c = 8 3s = 7 x = 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 3c = 8 3s = 7 x = 63S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 IMO 3♣ = 10, 2♠ = 8, Double = 5. If 2♦ is natural, then 3♦ would be fine if it could mean any 2-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 IMO a bid that show a two suiter = 10, 3♣ = 8, 2♠ = 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 You are not allowed any form of leaping Michaels, the question is not what system are you playing, it's what are you going to bid given your limited options. It's teams. The full deal is: [hv=pc=n&s=sak754h5djckqjt53&w=sq2hkjt7432d93ca9&n=sjt86ha9dk872c742&e=s93hq86daqt654c86&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=2d3cppp]399|300[/hv]I was apparently the only one who didn't get to game, as every other hand either bid 2♠, or LHO bid 3♥, allowing you a second bite at the cherry. Bid 2♠ then rebid 4♣ Partner will then know you have major/minor 2 suiter. No Trumps is out of the question with such an unbalanced hand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 If you're not playing Leaping Michaels, 3♦ shows any two-suiter, so the correct action is 3♦, planning to convert hearts to spades. This is the Expert forum, so my expert partner will understand this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 so just to be clear 3d as a strong cuebid is forbidden 3d showing a strong hand is not allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 so just to be clear 3d as a strong cuebid is forbidden 3d showing a strong hand is not allowed I don't recommend using cue bids in a casual partnership. I prefer toplay the K.I.S.S. system (Keep It Simple Stupid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't recommend using cue bids in a casual partnership. I prefer toplay the K.I.S.S. system (Keep It Simple Stupid) You realize this is the expert forum, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 I would make cuebid 3♦ to show my decent two suiters with 4 losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 WesleyC got this one early on. 3C direct over 2D is certainly a very good hand, and North's pass is very wrong. Theory about cuebids or leaping Mike is nice, but unnecessary this time. Leaping Mike, BTW, with an unknown Major, can get ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcilkley Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 I presume that's a weak 2 in diamonds so I reckon 3d is Ghestem showing the extremes of the other 3 suits, i.e. spades and clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 3C + Fingers crossed, that I get another chance. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Leaping Mike, BTW, with an unknown Major, can get ugly.That is true. But if you have the agreement:4♣ Always (regardless of whether they have opened/shown ♣ or ♦) other minor + a major4♦ Always (regardless of whether they have opened/shown ♣ or ♦) both majors then you can use 4♦ over 4♣ to ask for the major. Obviously, it can then get ugly if you (or partner) forgets... Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 You realize this is the expert forum, right? Yes I did realize.. So experts don't form casual partnerships...right(?!) <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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