Bid again after overcall

[dkham]

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You are playing a Teams Match (in the first round of the Scottish Cup) against expert opponents playing 5 card Majors. You've overcalled 1♥ and now the opponents have reached 3♦. The 2♦ bid from South was natural and forcing for one round and 3♦ was also natural.

 

Do you bid again?

[gszes]

pass lets see vul vs not p did not raise hearts which means small fit at best with very weak hand or no fit. P could not x the 2d bid to show spades so they are too weak or don't have them. Lho is still unlimited. All signs point to further action = suicide so PASS.

[mike777]

pass

 

non expert here but

 

I would have tried 2h the first round at this vul.

[nige1]

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You are playing a Teams Match (in the first round of the Scottish Cup) against expert opponents playing 5 card Majors. You've overcalled 1♥ and now the opponents have reached 3♦. The 2♦ bid from South was natural and forcing for one round and 3♦ was also natural. Do you bid again?[/hv]

IMO Double = 10, Pass = 9. Double is an overbid and you might have to apologize but if partner passes, you have some defensive tricks.

 

 

 

[P_Marlowe]

Pass, what else?

2H instead of 1H would have been my choice, but 1H is ok.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[MrAce]

I'd dbl.

 

I don't care that our side has much less points than they do, the ones they have in diamond suit won't take a trick in defense. If I am lucky I can find pd with 5-6 spades which makes my hand huge. We can reasonably play at 3 level if he has only 4. If he has 3♠ and stiff ♥ and nothing useful...I will suck it up and say sorry to pd.

 

We may not be as broke as it looks as well. Assume he bid 2♦ on 9-10 6 card and other one lifted with 4 card support and minimum.

[apollo1201]

I wouldnt blame my p for Xing especially after deciding for 1H at first bid (otherwise bid 2/3H and shut up for the rest of the auction), but I would have bid differently. You can reasonably expect a few spades opposite or a H doubleton but too weak to X the 2D bid (6/7 hcp still possible if opps have 12/13 plus 9, I do bid 2D with Kxx xx AQXxxx xx). But you could be 800 on bad days (more often 500 which vs. 400 is not too horrible).

[WesleyC]

I hate to pass with this hand shape, and the cards look to sit favourably for our side but with partner unable to act over 2D I think we're just outgunned. I'd need an extra high card to double .

[Trinidad]

I really hate the 1♥ overcall. If I would have bid 2♥, I would have told my hand at once.

 

Now, for some reason I didn't want to bid at the two level at my previous turn. So now that I know that my partner doesn't have much of a fit for me (no raise, no double) I should bid at the three level?!?

 

Rik

[dkham]

Thanks for all the replies. PASS was the winner, with only a few tempted by double.

 

At the time I felt that East should have doubled on the second round, but I now think that West should have bid on the first round, as this was the full deal:

 

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1♣ from North was a misbid playing a new system, but North-South the Diamond suit easily enough.

3♦ made with an overtrick, whereas East-West have a nice 4♠ or even 4♥.

At our table I was West and although we missed the major game we still gained IMPs. At the other table our North-South found the cold 3NT!

[MrAce]

Thanks for all the replies. PASS was the winner, with only a few tempted by double.

 

At the time I felt that East should have doubled on the second round, but I now think that West should have bid on the first round, as this was the full deal:

 

I have to disagree

 

1-How is the pass winner? In order pass to be winner on this hand

 

a-NS have to miss 3 NT (which is very reasonable)

b-Other table EW have to miss their 4M game, vulnerable.

c-Teammates needs to bid 3 NT.

 

All of these 3 happened so pass became winner. Even then, doubling was much bigger winner.

 

2- Idk why N opened 1♦ but from E point of view, looking at the auction, not finding spade fit is possible but not that likely. N showed at least 4-4 or 4-5 minors, S did not start DBL instead of 2♦.

 

I agree with 1♥ overcall. I am extremely surprised with 2♥ suggestions previous round as well as comments that says our hand is weak. Even if one thought it was a weak hand, they bidding diamonds and raising made our hand improved imo. I am not saying this because we make 4♠. I am just saying if pd holds the worst hand possible with no fit, such as stiff ♥ and only 3 spades, then he will pass it out and I like our chances in defense if that is the case.

[ahydra]

1-How is the pass winner? In order pass to be winner on this hand

 

I think he just meant that "pass" won the poll, not that it was necessarily the best call.

 

ahydra

[KurtGodel]

I think I would pass here, partner probably doesn't have a great hand. The risk is that we could have a huge fit (like on the actual hand), but I feel like in practise most of the time we don't and partner just has 4-6 diamonds (sometimes opener might raise on 3) and we have just fixed them. If we double and we catch partner with 4♠, then we have a pretty bad trump suit to put down in dummy and could be getting doubled. Sometimes we miss out, but I think doubling gets some random -200s and penalties more often than it gets us to a making partscore/game. I could believe that I was wrong on this one though, it's sad to pass with such shape.

 

I would have also bid 1♥ the first time round, facing an unpassed partner, we are just way too good to bid 2♥ IMO. It shuts us out of spades when partner has a good hand, and partner will misjudge our defensive capacity.

[dkham]

Yes I just meant PASS was the winner as it topped the poll.

 

Do people think West should have bid on the first round?

[MrAce]

Yes I just meant PASS was the winner as it topped the poll.

 

Do people think West should have bid on the first round?

 

Ok ty.

 

About whether W should bid or not depends on who you ask I guess.

 

It shows a good lead since this auction usually ends up in 3 NT but colors are bad in case of misfit. Not sure whether I'd bid or not without the bias.

[PhilG007]

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You are playing a Teams Match (in the first round of the Scottish Cup) against expert opponents playing 5 card Majors. You've overcalled 1♥ and now the opponents have reached 3♦. The 2♦ bid from South was natural and forcing for one round and 3♦ was also natural.

 

Do you bid again?

An obvious PASS Partner's silence is deafening,you've said your piece...it's time to go quietly and hope to put them down....

[WesleyC]

I hate West's pass with a strong 5c spade suit and heart tolerance. A layout like this where you make game is pretty unlikely, but you can't afford to give up on the partscore. Even if we don't have a fit, a spade lead rates to be our best shot and will be very hard for partner to find if we don't bid.

[neilkaz]

I hate West's pass with a strong 5c spade suit and heart tolerance. A layout like this where you make game is pretty unlikely, but you can't afford to give up on the partscore. Even if we don't have a fit, a spade lead rates to be our best shot and will be very hard for partner to find if we don't bid.

I have to agree with you and would bid 2♠as PD shouldn't o/c 1♥vulnerable with total trash. This suit seems too good to hide in this auction.

[MrAce]

FYI

 

Bidding 2♠ without bias by W hand in BW poll was % 15

 

Pass was % 46

DBL was % 38

 

http://bridgewinners...g-problem-8138/

[dkham]

Very interesting, the results of the follow-up BridgeWinner poll about West's bid are nicely split between PASS, 2♠ and DOUBLE.

 

With my partner we play 2♠ as 10+, showing at least 5 spades and forcing, which isn't quite what you have but I'd still do it.

[MrAce]

Very interesting, the results of the follow-up BridgeWinner poll about West's bid are nicely split between PASS, 2♠ and DOUBLE.

 

With my partner we play 2♠ as 10+, showing at least 5 spades and forcing, which isn't quite what you have but I'd still do it.

 

I'd like to repeat the points i made

• Without the bias, bidding 2♠ was not as easy as it was here. 2♠ was claimed to be obvious here. Is minority in the poll.
• Consequences of bidding 2♠ are random, because at the time of bidding suggested 2♠, bidder did not know yet opener is about to raise diamonds.
• Double of 3♦ has less risks.

a-Responder did not dbl 1♥

b-Opener, who raised diamonds, shows 4 diamonds and 5+ clubs. (with 4-4 he opens 1♦, since nothing special about their minor openings was mentioned, I assumed it to be standard better minor.

Both of which leads to chances of 3♦ dbl finding spades with W much more likely than the chances of 2♠ by W finding spades by E at the time he bids 2♠.

 

Of course it also depends how you read the results of this poll. I think you have a point. Since both 2♠ and DBL mention spades, combination of both in the poll makes it close to 50-50 against not mentioning spades by W. But for the reasons I listed above, I'd personally pass with W hand.