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Opening a 22pt hand at the four level


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Yes. Double is a reasonable option. I personally would double, but I get these doubles wrong too many times, so I refrained from arguing in favor of X because I do not know what's best.

 

If it were such a clear call, the hand wouldn't have been posted at all.

 

 

I disagree that double is a reasonable option. What will you do if/when partner bids 5C? It is insane to continue with 5S when 4S was not even close to a lock to make. Surely it is best (percentage-wise) to bid your 5 card suit while you can at the game level instead of fumbling about looking for a fit that may not exist at the 5 level.

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4. I do need pard to have several cover cards for slam to make, since it isn't clear he has a singleton yet. I didn't see the vulnerability, and it has some effect on my bid here. Red on White, pard will know I have a real hand for this. White on red, I should double, as I could bid 4 on many much weaker hands.
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On the actual hand, I like double, but maybe that's related to my sig - I wouldn't expect to find slam in a million years if I bid 4 on this.

 

Meanwhile, if P has a balanced hand with a handful of points, we probably do almost as well in expectation defending as playing. If he pulls to 5, I expect him to have enough clubs that we've got a reasonable chance of making it. If he bids either of the other suits, I'll raise him a level.

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FWIW I gave the hands to robots. Was curious what North wd bid, clubs or spades:

 

[hv=pc=n&s=SAKJT2HA2DKQJ2CAT&n=SQ543H6DT6CQJ7654&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=3HP4HD(Takeout%20double%20--%203-5%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%202-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2015+%20total%20points)P4S(4+%20%21S%3B%2020-%20total%20points)PPP]400|300[/hv]

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If you're going to cue, would 5 be an option? I wouldn't risk it at the table, but I can see an argument that with a strong hand with a huge C suit, you'd have just chosen the level of your contract and bid it.

 

Not sure if 5 will be a cue agreeing spades. Imo it should be natural. A strong hand with convertible values and clubs. AK x AKxx AQxxxx

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This is a clear DBL for me. But I do not blame 4 ers. It all depends on what DBL would mean for them.

OK, I am onboard for 4, but what would double have to mean for it to be the correct bid? I would be worried about partner bidding 5 with something like J fifth and a bad hand.

I really think one has to more or less give up on slam even though it makes on this hand. It takes almost the magic hand with a stiff heart plus some other key high cards.

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Before seeing hand of ezyang i was thinking that the answere at preemptive (for me a 7th losers 7or 8 cards suit) cover by partner and probably with balanced points (remaining). If we have an hand adapt for 5 with possibilties in other suits ,why not ?
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