goingoren Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 you wake up with :Spades : QJxHearts : AKJTxDiamonds : AKJTxClubs : Void You're all set to bid 2c and start cuebidding to slam when RHO has the nerve to pipe up and say "1 spade". How do you bid now to properly convey to partner the powerhouse that you have been dealt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 If you are playing the Michaels cuebid, you have the perfect solution. But since you asked the question you are probably not playing it, so double and await developments. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 you wake up with :Spades : QJxHearts : AKJTxDiamonds : AKJTxClubs : Void You're all set to bid 2c and start cuebidding to slam when RHO has the nerve to pipe up and say "1 spade". How do you bid now to properly convey to partner the powerhouse that you have been dealt? How many players would have the courage to pass this hand? Yet that is exactly what you must do and trust to partner to take action in the balancing seat(as a good player would) Too many players tend to forget that bridge is a partnership game DON'T FORGET YOUR PARTNER!!!!! :angry: Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs. A 1NT overcall promises a double stop in ♠ which you don't have. You have 19 points and RHO has opened the bidding. If partner has a 'bust' which is highly likely,you still only have 19 points. It is not yet time to get excited..(!) :rolleyes: Pass and hope that partner will keep the auction open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 How many players would have the courage to pass this hand? Yet that is exactly what you must do and trust to partner to take action in the balancing seat(as a good player would) Too many players tend to forget that bridge is a partnership game DON'T FORGET YOUR PARTNER!!!!! :angry: Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs. A 1NT overcall promises a double stop in ♠ which you don't have. You have 19 points and RHO has opened the bidding. If partner has a 'bust' which is highly likely,you still only have 19 points. It is not yet time to get excited..(!) :rolleyes: Pass and hope that partner will keep the auction open. LOL Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 How many players would have the courage to pass this hand? ... Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs. OK, if doubling and bidding doesn't appeal to you, why on earth would you not overcall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 OK, if doubling and bidding doesn't appeal to you, why on earth would you not overcall?Because he doesn't know what he is talking about. For the OP: double is the normal way to begin showing a very strong hand after your opponent opens the bidding. Also as Vampyr said, bidding 2♠ directly over 1♠ is a common agreement to show a two-suited hand, with hearts and an as yet unknown minor suit. You can communicate the strength of the hand later in the auction. Passing is not a reasonable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Two points: First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. Partner should strain to respond to an opening bid, and if partner passes, this hand may not produce a game. Two suited hands are notoriously difficult to deal with after a 2♣ opening, especially if the opponents get into the auction. So it is important to get your suits bid as early as possible. If the hand were stronger - say, QJx AKQTx AKQTx --- - then you would have to open 2♣ because you could not risk partner passing. Second - A Michaels cue bid or other 2-suited convention is what I would use for this hand if available over the opponents 1♠ opening. If partner bids hearts, I will probably bid game, or strongly invite game if I have a way to do it. There is probably not going to be any space available to conduct an invitational auction, so I would just go with the odds and bid a game. If no two-suited convention is available, then I would double and bid hearts (and diamonds later if I get the chance). The hand is far too good to trap-pass, and, quite frankly, what are you going to do if partner reopens with a double? You are not passing out 1♠x - you don't have the right hand for it. Passing puts you in a worse situation even if you get another chance, and there is no guarantee that you will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Two points: First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. It's not the topic, but OP mentioned it, so your comment is relevant and helpful. OP didn't mention system,though, and this would (I think) be a reasonable 2♣ opening if playing Benji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.You're kidding, right? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 You're kidding, right? :rolleyes: What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 LOL Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen. To thine own self be true(!) <_< 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Because he doesn't know what he is talking about. For the OP: double is the normal way to begin showing a very strong hand after your opponent opens the bidding. Also as Vampyr said, bidding 2♠ directly over 1♠ is a common agreement to show a two-suited hand, with hearts and an as yet unknown minor suit. You can communicate the strength of the hand later in the auction. Passing is not a reasonable option. So you would stick your neck out? Then the next thing you might hear is "DOUBLE" in a voice like thunder from LHO Partner puts down a Yarborough and you can then get ready with the sackcloth and ashes(!) What seperates the expert from the palooka is the former's highly developed sense of danger. This is no time to be a hero. The cemeteries are fullof them(!) <_< Right hand side of road..safe Left hand side of road..safe....Middle of road...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Two points: First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. Partner should strain to respond to an opening bid, and if partner passes, this hand may not produce a game. Two suited hands are notoriously difficult to deal with after a 2♣ opening, especially if the opponents get into the auction. So it is important to get your suits bid as early as possible. If the hand were stronger - say, QJx AKQTx AKQTx --- - then you would have to open 2♣ because you could not risk partner passing. Second - A Michaels cue bid or other 2-suited convention is what I would use for this hand if available over the opponents 1♠ opening. If partner bids hearts, I will probably bid game, or strongly invite game if I have a way to do it. There is probably not going to be any space available to conduct an invitational auction, so I would just go with the odds and bid a game. If no two-suited convention is available, then I would double and bid hearts (and diamonds later if I get the chance). The hand is far too good to trap-pass, and, quite frankly, what are you going to do if partner reopens with a double? You are not passing out 1♠x - you don't have the right hand for it. Passing puts you in a worse situation even if you get another chance, and there is no guarantee that you will. Micheals is OK...if you've agreed to use this gadget...but what if you haven't(?) Personally,I don't like this device. Along with the negative double,itmust rank as one of the worst coventions ever devised :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 What seperates the expert from the palooka is the former's highly developed sense of danger. Micheals is OK...if you've agreed to use this gadget...but what if you haven't(?) Personally,I don't like this device. Along with the negative double,itmust rank as one of the worst coventions ever devised :(laughablehttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif gotta give him credit for entertainment value though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 So you would stickthese your neck out? Then the next thing you might hear is "DOUBLE" in a voice like thunder from LHO Partner puts down a Yarborough and you can then get ready with the sackcloth and ashes(!) I am sorry for mocking; I have made mistakes myself and besides, it is unseemly. Most people will not have a direct penalty doule available, but yes, you could end up doubled in 2♥, down a couple. You could also find a Yarborough opposite with game good. Committing to either of these options is taking a very big position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.Maybe he thought that only novices and beginners were allowed to post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Most people will not have a direct penalty doule availablePerhaps you did not notice the "voice of thunder"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 laughableHow so(?) One player's meat is another's poison. The late great Terence Reese hated 'Michaels',calling it an 'abomination'... "The problem with the human race is that no-one will ever win it" - Alfred Adler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Maybe he thought that only novices and beginners were allowed to post! Yes true...and also pseudo experts like you,I suspect(!) <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 PhilG007 I think it is time for you to throw in the towel and just accept that you are out on a limb here. I would be among the first to agree that novices generally suffer from a myth that with an opening hand you have to act over RHO's opener when much of the time an initial pass is indicated. This is not a good example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif gotta give him credit for entertainment value though. He is playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I would love to hear his teammates when partner has Kxx Qxx Qxx xxxx and defended 1S for -80 or -110 with 6 of either red suit making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 He is playing. No - pass is right. If partner has as much as: ♠xx♥xxx♦xx♣xxxxxx He should appreciate that 4♥ could well be on and so should balance with a double, preferably in a voice of thunder. B-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 No - pass is right. If partner has as much as: ♠xx♥xxx♦xx♣xxxxxx He should appreciate that 4♥ could well be on and so should balance with a double, preferably in a voice of thunder. B-)No...no....no!!! The voice of thunder is used for penalty doubles! Unless one is playing upside down attitude signals, of course. Here, with your example hand, a quiet or even doubtful double is in order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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