eagles123 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I thought this was relatively clear but my partner disagreed from BBF tourny (matchpoints) [hv=pc=n&s=s862hakjt9dk5ck63]133|100[/hv] assume basic 2/1 what would you open this hand with thanks Eagles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I can live with 1♥ or 1N, this is more a matter of style than anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 1♥ at MP for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 1♥ at MP for me.At MP losing a heart fit could be a disaster. At imps you want to upgrade to 1N I wouldn't sue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I was present for this one. I would bid 1NT, I think it's clear to upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I will go’for a 15-17 no trump. Kings to protect and 3 spades in case partner has the good idea to transfer. I'd prefr to be IMPs but we cant always live in an ideal world, can we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 In my opinion, 1♥ is clear. This is a suit oriented hand - strong suit and controls. Not only that, it doesn't have the right HCP strength for 1NT. So, anything other than 1♥ is masterminding. Again, just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I could go either way. I tend to prefer 1NT, but it would depend to some extent on partner — I have had partners who would hate it if I opened 1NT on this. Using judgement is not, IMO, masterminding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Tbh, I like 1 NT. you can even convince me that 1 NT is better. But saying this is a clear decision, escapes me by a mile. Of course this depends on how one defines a "clear bid"Cyberyeti nailed it on this one imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 In my opinion, 1♥ is clear. This is a suit oriented hand - strong suit and controls. Not only that, it doesn't have the right HCP strength for 1NT. So, anything other than 1♥ is masterminding. Again, just my opinion. You're allowed to use judgment, K&R gives this hand as 15.75, I'd have rated it as a little over 15 due to the heart intermediates, your suit is 4 certain tricks and a decent chance of 5 opposite 2 or 3 small cards which makes it worth way more than 8 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm in the 1 ♥ camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=s862hakjt9dk5ck63]133|100I thought this was relatively clear but my partner disagreed. from BBF tourny (matchpoints)assume basic 2/1 what would you open this hand with[/hv] IMO 1N = 10, 1♥ = 9. Arguments for 1♥ include: your values are concentrated in ♥ and ♥ is the suit you want led. Arguments for 1N include: With good intermediates, re-enforcing honours, and 5-card suit, this hand is worth 15 points, so 1N describes and limits your shape and strength. You would rather defenders lead up to your minor suit kings. With 3 cards in ♠s, you don't mind partner transferring to ♠s. Finally, if you open 1♥ you have a difficult rebid after a 1N reply, which you don't have to worry about if you open 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilG007 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I thought this was relatively clear but my partner disagreed from BBF tourny (matchpoints) [hv=pc=n&s=s862hakjt9dk5ck63]133|100[/hv] assume basic 2/1 what would you open this hand with thanks Eagles Definitely 1♥ No other bid is sensible. Why did your partner disagree? Sounds like you need tofind a new partner.... one that isn't a 'pseudo expert' (!) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekthen Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Banzai valuation puts this firmly as a weak nt. I think that after 1♥ 1N there is a problem due to the forcing nature of 1N, but that is the downside of 2/1. i guess 2♣ might be best. What do 2/1 players think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Hi, 1H. I will pass a semiforcing 1NT response. In the end take your pick. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Banzai valuation puts this firmly as a weak nt. I think that after 1♥ 1N there is a problem due to the forcing nature of 1N, but that is the downside of 2/1. i guess 2♣ might be best. What do 2/1 players think? whats Banzai valuation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 At MP losing a heart fit could be a disaster. At imps you want to upgrade to 1N I wouldn't sue. Losing your heart fit can be the winner also, specially when you make your opponents lose spades on the proccess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekthen Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 whats Banzai valuation? A = 5 down to 10 = 1add 1 for a 5 card suit a weak NT is worth 18 - 21 pointsa strong NT is 22 - 25 points This is only for evaluating NT contracts do not use for suit contracts! So AKJT9 = 13 Kxx = 4 Thus 21 banzai points. Basically 1 hcp = 1.5 banzai points. so game requires 37 banzai points etc Axxx, Axx, Axx, xxx is only 15 points nowhere near an opening bid even adding a J does not make it a weak NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'd open 1♥ regardless of the long strong value of Hearts in NT. With an extra hcp or two, I'd still prefer opening 1 Heart due to the lack of a stop in Spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Which is better for opening 1♥ and 1nt ? Each has both advantages and disadvantages.Maybe opening 1♥ is better at first and second seat,and opening 1nt is considerable at 3rd and 4th seat.However I have to say opening 1nt is a bit of overbid at any seat because of only 1 ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodepp Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 You open whatever you want :) I open 1♥ but would not criticize a 1NT opening. Like the old saying goes: "You pays your money and you takes your choice". This is an 'eye of the beholder' hand. Maybe there should be another choice in the poll - 'Is there a clear-cut superior choice?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 imo The upside of opening 1NT with this hand far outweighs the the possible downside. If partner has 5 spades you will play in a 5-3 fit right sided. If partner has 3 or 4 spades you are well placed in no trumps when partner has fewer than 4 hearts.1NT promises 15-17 and the hand is easily worth 15. Opening 1♥ risks you playing in 1. A wrong sided 4-3 ♠ fit2. A 5-1 2♥ contract (OK maybe opposite those hearts you will make but unlikely to outscore no trumps)3. Missing 3N when partner has 10 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 One benefit of 1N I don't think anyone's mentioned is when they have the spades, which is more likely if we have a heart fit. Conceivably 1N and 2H will make our way, with 2S making their way but only biddable over hearts. Am I right in thinking that the 1♥ openers are mostly doing so because of the texture of the hand, rather than because they think it's too weak? I can't imagine not upgrading this hand if playing strength were the only question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm opening 1N, since I feel if I open 1H, I am somewhat obligated to raise partner's spades with a 1N rebid being an underbid. This is not a good hand for playing 2S on a 4-3 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfoerster Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Assuming a 15-17 HCP range for 1NT opener, I'd bid 1H, with the intention of raising a 1S response to 2S. Swith the diamonds with the spade and I'd open, since I have no good response to 1S: 1N would be an underbid and 2N an overbid. Finally, if you and your partner have the understanding that after 1H - 1S - 2m promises only 3 of the minor, then I'm back to opening 1H. BTW: If declarer had 15 or 17 HCP, I'd always open 1H and rebid eithre 1N or 2N over a 2S response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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