More than 27 balanced

[Bbradley62]

Opening 2NT = 20-21

Opening 2♣ then bidding 2N = 22-24

Opening 3NT = 25-27

Apparently, opening 2♣ then bidding 3N shows the same thing. Certainly, having 28+ balanced doesn't come up often, but what are we supposed to do when it does?

 

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[manudude03]

2C-2D-4NT shows 28-30 balanced?

[Bbradley62]

2C-2D-4NT shows 28-30 balanced?

4N over 2D was completely undefined.

[manudude03]

4N over 2D was completely undefined.

 

http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/46378-just-another-30-count/

 

On that hand, I stopped in 4NT with the auction going 2C-2D-4NT.

[mcphee]

The problem you discuss can be solved with Kokish relay after opening 2C. Basically after 2D, 2H s a relay forcing 2S, now the 2N rerbid from oening han becomes 25+.

[1eyedjack]

Kokish or no Kokish, it does not make sense for 3N opener to have the same definition as 2C-2D-3N. If there really is no distinction, which sequence would GIB choose if holding that hand?

[lycier]

The problem you discuss can be solved with Kokish relay after opening 2C. Basically after 2D, 2H s a relay forcing 2S, now the 2N rerbid from oening han becomes 25+.

 

The problem you discuss is Gibs don't play that,even though Kokish relay is an excellent option.

[steve2005]

Kokish or no Kokish, it does not make sense for 3N opener to have the same definition as 2C-2D-3N. If there really is no distinction, which sequence would GIB choose if holding that hand?

Yes, this has been brought up before. If 3N is 25-27 hcp then make 2♣-2♦-3N=28-30 hcp balanced.

 

Either that or make 3N opening something useful and live with rare 2♣-2♦-4N as 28-30 hcp balanced (which it isn't even defined now I think)