gwnn Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 It's actually an open debate as far as I know. I don't want to get all Lurpoa on you but you need to have a clear agreement with your partner here :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 For those of you suggesting 4NT, not even my granny plays 4NT as Blackwood here, surely? What would you do with x x KQJxx KQJxxx? Double? Uggh. Surely wanting to ask for key card is more frequent than a 2 suited takeout? Interesting anyway even if it's beyond pointless here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Assuming you are playing 12/14 nt, the five card spade hands above are all 1nt openers so six spades now is a fair bet Has eagles lost his marbles Grand!,!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 For those of you suggesting 4NT, not even my granny plays 4NT as Blackwood here, surely? What would you do with x x KQJxx KQJxxx? Double? Uggh. 5C comeS to mind. For me, 4N is RKC but this is one of the unusual times it is in comp. 5N is pick a slam. 5H looks pretty obvious with this hand but there's no guarantee we will land on our feet. Furthermore, what are partners followips, specifically 5M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Assuming you are playing 12/14 nt, the five card spade hands above are all 1nt openers so six spades now is a fair bet Has eagles lost his marbles Grand!,!? The OP is expert why would you assume a weak no trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 This is a fascinating thread. We have one poster who wants to bid 4NT RKCB even though the response isn't likely to tell one what one needs to know. We have another poster who is convinced that 4NT is not RKCB. We have a poster who wants to bid 5NT GSF even though it is possible (even likely?) that his side is off a cashing side suit ace. And we have a poster who assumes that partner can't have a balanced minimum with 5 spades because he would have opened a weak NT. Mixed in with all of the above is an intelligent discussion of the rational choices and a good deal of sarcasm and vitriol. One has to have a good filter to sift out the intelligent part of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 FWIW, my usual agreement about 4N over a 4-level preemptive overcall is that it is keycard over 4m but two places to play over 4M. Thus for me it would not be keycard here. For those who have difficulty understanding this concept, consider how infrequently one will hold a hand on which the ONLY important issue is how many key cards partner has. I promise you that such a holding will be incredibly rare. Meanwhile, two places to play may not arise often, but it will be more common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiker Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 The OP is expert why would you assume a weak no trump? Being an expert is not restricted to players who play strong no trump "the biker" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
case_no_6 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I am a simpleton. I bid 5!h like Goren advised. This asks p to bid a small slam with an attractive minimum and to probe for a grand with a good hand. P may sign off in 5!s with a non slamming hand in the minimum opening bid range. Not perfect, but it is reasonable enough given that the preempt removed almost all opportunity for Exploration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodepp Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 This has been the most entertaining thread I've seen in awhile :) I think this pretty much depends on opener's style. If opener is a 'solid citizen' I think 5♥ is fine; I think this should imply controls in the minors as well. Opener can then make an educated guess as to 'how high' you should be. If opener like to open on bare 11-counts however, 4♠ has to be where the money is long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I am a simpleton. I bid 5!h like Goren advised. This asks p to bid a small slam with an attractive minimum and to probe for a grand with a good hand. P may sign off in 5!s with a non slamming hand in the minimum opening bid range. Not perfect, but it is reasonable enough given that the preempt removed almost all opportunity for Exploration. Charlie G is definitely a leading theorist on these matters. Up there with Ms. Josephine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juljak Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I am new to the forum, but I dont understand the Grand slam bid without first round control in hearts confirmed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I am new to the forum, but I dont understand the Grand slam bid without first round control in hearts confirmed? I'm afraid everyone was being sarcastic about bidding grand slam force, you are quite right that it would be ridiculous on this occasion, not just for the reason you stated, but also because it's not immediately obvious where 13 tricks are coming from.Welcome to the forum :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 AQxxxKxQxxKXx Seems like a great grand to be in , Phil I was picturing AQJT98 x QJx KQJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I am new to the forum, but I dont understand the Grand slam bid without first round control in hearts confirmed?Welcome to the forums. You will get used to the attempts at humor, irony, or sarcasm. We don't always use those emoticons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masse24 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 This: Only 1 sensible response comes to mind on this hand.. 5NT The Grand Slam Force asking partner to bidthe Small Slam holding one of the top three spade honors or bid the Grand Slam if holding two..... and this: Partner CANNOT pass. That's why it's called the Grand Slam FORCE And it's inane to think that a 1♠ opening wouldn't containat least the A or Q♠ = :blink: http://i58.tinypic.com/opa9l1.png I look forward to more responses like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Please forgive me for any breaking this thread. I take full error 1) if you open light balanced junk no problem5h is the clear best bid2) otoh if you open non mini bal hands I try for slam and grand slam.3) opening light balanced hand is common, I agree.4) I was taught ehaa for first system in 715) perhaps AS many comment I test out roth as opposite now6) as Kimmel, Alan and Chip and many here on forums suggest Al roth may not be winning bridge in 20157) I take sole and full blame for having fun with it/ to test it out here on the forums.----------------- AS MANY MANY on the forums have taught us...double or cuebid is often very often our best option when faced with a tough bid. They teach us well. Wank on thread one or thread two presents---------- MANY POSTERS show argument for 5h I should have 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Welcome to the forums. You will get used to the attempts at humor, irony, or sarcasm. We don't always use those emoticons. See? Aguahombre's easing you in with more of them ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 See? Aguahombre's easing you in with more of them ;)And, for the record, I am sure those who abbreviate my handle down to AH intend it in the nicest way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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