Weak NT

[dickiegera]

I am under the impression that opening 1NT with less than 10 points is not legal in ACBL.

 

Can someone tell me where it states that you need 10 pts?

 

Thank you

[blackshoe]

It is not illegal. However, if you ever open ant with less than 10 HCP you will be presumed to have an agreement to do so. If you are found to have agreed any conventional responses you will be ruled to have an illegal agreement. See law 40 and item 7 under disallowed on the GCC.

[Vampyr]

In any case a strong NT works much better than a weak or mini NT with 2/1 GF.

[helene_t]

In any case a strong NT works much better than a weak or mini NT with 2/1 GF.

Why?

[hrothgar]

It is not illegal. However, if you ever open ant with less than 10 HCP you will be presumed to have an agreement to do so. If you are found to have agreed any conventional responses you will be ruled to have an illegal agreement. See law 40 and item 7 under disallowed on the GCC.

 

I think that there is a distinction made between upgrading an otherwise appropriate hand and making a clear psyche.

 

Suppose you get dealt

 

♠ AT

♥ T98

♦ KQT98

♣ T98

 

and chose to open a 10-12 HCP 1NT because your hand evaluation says that this is equivalent to a 10 count.

You're going to get read the riot act and ruled against

 

Alternatively, suppose that Zia gets dealt

 

♠ xx

♥ QJT

♦ KQ873

♣ xxx

 

and chooses to open a 10-12 HCP NT in white on red in third seat (as he does repeatedly)

This is treated as a psyche and deemed acceptable.

 

It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine whether the fact that Zia made this bid has a material impact on the decision.

[dicklont]

In any case a strong NT works much better than a weak or mini NT with 2/1 GF.

I really like the 12-14 NT in a 2/1 system.

[weejonnie]

I think that there is a distinction made between upgrading an otherwise appropriate hand and making a clear psyche.

 

Suppose you get dealt

 

♠ AT

♥ T98

♦ KQT98

♣ T98

 

and chose to open a 10-12 HCP 1NT because your hand evaluation says that this is equivalent to a 10 count.

You're going to get read the riot act and ruled against

 

Alternatively, suppose that Zia gets dealt

 

♠ xx

♥ QJT

♦ KQ873

♣ xxx

 

and chooses to open a 10-12 HCP NT in white on red in third seat (as he does repeatedly)

This is treated as a psyche and deemed acceptable.

 

It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine whether the fact that Zia made this bid has a material impact on the decision.

If Zia does this repeatedly then this is a CPU and not a psyche. if his partner 'fields' it then it should be dealt with appropriately.

[hrothgar]

If Zia does this repeatedly then this is a CPU and not a psyche.

 

Incorrect.

 

Zia makes this psyche repeatedly with the same partner. (One of the beauties of online VuGraph is that we now have a record of such things)

The has forced the ACBL to admit that their claims that this establishes a CPU are, in fact, not in accordance with the laws and aren't enforced in "serious" play.

Its important to understand that the ACBL gives out lots of guidance that isn't at all kosher.

 

(I found this knowledge useful this weekend when I psyches a 11-13 HCP NT in third seat, white on red in an ACBL event which lead to a director call when the opponents went into conniptions)

[blackshoe]

Incorrect.

 

Zia makes this psyche repeatedly with the same partner. (One of the beauties of online VuGraph is that we now have a record of such things)

The has forced the ACBL to admit that their claims that this establishes a CPU are, in fact, not in accordance with the laws and aren't enforced in "serious" play.

Its important to understand that the ACBL gives out lots of guidance that isn't at all kosher.

 

(I found this knowledge useful this weekend when I psyches a 11-13 HCP NT in third seat, white on red in an ACBL event which lead to a director call when the opponents went into conniptions)

Where and when did the ACBL admit this?