eagles123 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 w/w mp (p)p(1s) xxAT987654qxx- weakish field cheers Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 4 feels right, but maybe if the field is not just weakish but truly weak then 3 might be more successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 agree with 4h I guess if I want to be more random with my preempts I could pass here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 4 feels right, but maybe if the field is not just weakish but truly weak then 3 might be more successful.We agree. Based on the weakish description I go for 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 well congrats to you all, you also find the one muppet hero 1s bidder that when its passed round to him decides to whack it with his 5224 13 count -1 0% of the matchpoints yay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Usually 4♥ leads to 4♠, but I would have bid it at the table, unless the field is so inept that most of them would only bid 3♥... and then I still bid 4. We have 8 hearts, and pretty good shape. Let the donks have the top board, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 -1 0% of the matchpoints yay So... That doesn't make 4H necessarily wrong. Just that you lost this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwood913 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I would have bid 3. I guess I'm putting myself out there as weak. So be it. Can you give me some insights why 4 is better than 3? Just because we have 8? I have poor trumps, equal vul, and two little spades, so I feel 3 is good enough, let it do it's work - maybe they get too high, to low, maybe I make... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 4♥. Huge mistake to change your bidding to cater to a weak field. One of my favorite comments from Allan Graves in a bidding pole was "I don't mind a poor result in order to maintain partnership integrity." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodepp Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 4♥. Huge mistake to change your bidding to cater to a weak field. One of my favorite comments from Allan Graves in a bidding pole was "I don't mind a poor result in order to maintain partnership integrity." Totally agree. The 'field' bid has to be 4♥, so the way to beat the field is to bid 'with' the field and hope you play the cards better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenG Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Totally agree. The 'field' bid has to be 4♥, so the way to beat the field is to bid 'with' the field and hope you play the cards better.The field bid in a weak field is rarely 4♥ - at least, not round here. As fields get weaker, big pre-empts change from winning bridge to losing bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Oh dear you do have a lot to learn eagles, dont adjust for weak fiel just means you are oart of it, assuming you r playing wjos you might bid 3h but i prefer to pass and see how opps bid. You have no def to 4s and they might not bid it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted April 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 :lol: :lol: :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Oh dear you do have a lot to learn eagles, dont adjust for weak fiel just means you are oart of it, assuming you r playing wjos you might bid 3h but i prefer to pass and see how opps bid. You have no def to 4s and they might not bid it Calm down...breath...count to 10 (speaking to myself) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodepp Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 The field bid in a weak field is rarely 4♥ - at least, not round here. As fields get weaker, big pre-empts change from winning bridge to losing bridge. Not in my area - everybody from all skill levels preempt first then worry later :) It's pretty aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Can you give me some insights why 4 is better than 3? Just because we have 8? I have poor trumps, equal vul, and two little spades, so I feel 3 is good enough, let it do it's work - maybe they get too high, to low, maybe I make... The big advantage to bidding 4 over 3 is that it's much harder for them to find slam over the 4♥ bid. Over 3♥, LHO has THREE ways to raise spades. He or she can bid 3♠, just competitive, 4♠, competitive with more distribution, and 4♥, showing support with strength. The last gives RHO a chance to investigate slam with extras. LHO can even make a negative double, which might allow a hunt for slam based on a double fit. Over 4♥, a very strong LHO can look for slam with 5♥ or 5♠ (one shows a heart control and the other denies one, depending on agreement), but the hands that can do that are few. LHO has to bid 4♠ on anything from a very distributional 0 hcp hand to a flat 16 hcp hand, so RHO will find it hard to judge for slam. The disadvantage of 4♥ is that you'll get too high or push them into a making game they wouldn't otherwise bid. Non-vulnerable, you'd have to be down 2 doubled or down 3 undoubled to be worse off than allowing 3♠ making. This is rather unlikely with 8 hearts. Having their contract go down is even less likely. As for the second, strong opponents are likely to find a making game whether you preempt 3 or 4. I think the field is rather irrelevant here. I might consider 3♥ if opponents are known to be weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 weakish field w/w mp ♠ x x ♥ A T 9 8 7 6 5 4 ♦ q x x ♣ -(p)p(1s)?? IMO 4♥ = 10, 3♥ = 8. In this context, I don't think strength of field affects your choice much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 To borrow from Nige's scoring system, but with real grades: 4♥ = 10, everything else = 0. Would never dream of any other call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 IMO 4♥ = 10, 3♥ = 8. In this context, I don't think strength of field affects your choice much. I actually thought this was a reasonable score for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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