eagles123 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 if pass how much stronger for double, if double how much weaker for pass scoring - imps [hv=pc=n&w=sqj86h7daqj7cq765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp4h]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Ugh, so many quacks. I'll need at least a black king more to act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Double! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Hi, with a bidding like that showing almost 24-25 points my partner should have a K+J..or only a J. In these situations it needs sure to beat 4♥. Fourthemore i use (a little variant of) rule of 7 (for double) than i don't double (bidding is not ended..let's wait also to avoid XX - i.e. if N-S have unbalanced hand or so ?), bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Hi, with a bidding like that showing almost 24-25 pointsThat bidding doesn't show anything like 24-25 points: they would have bid differently if that were likely. They could have as few as about 14 hcp and the most likely range is some way short of 24. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 pass, at least another king, east passed over 1h at nvnext Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 That bidding doesn't show anything like 24-25 points: they would have bid differently if that were likely. They could have as few as about 14 hcp and the most likely range is some way short of 24.Than S should be max 8 points ( is it correct ?). However i pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'd like something a little better than this duck pond to X here, noting that my NV PD passed initially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 [AJ86 7 AQJ7 Q765] I would definitely double. [KJ86 7 AQJ7 Q765] & [Q986 7 AQJ75 K76] are right on the edge. But with so many Quacks, I think I'd pass this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monikrazy Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Pass. We have the shape but not the strength for a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdonald Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 BBO forum, Very possible that south bid game based on looser count and not points. He may also have some distribution that yields dummy points. Certainly they have a 9+ card heart suit so partner has at most 3. I think the decision comes down to knowing how good the OPS are. Jerry D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 [hv=pc=n&w=sqj86h7daqj7cq765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp4h]133|200|if pass how much stronger for double, if double how much weaker for passscoring - imps[/hv] Agree with Mr Ace: Double = 10, Pass = 8, 4♠ = 5. Borderline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 There are some indicators, here. 1) if 4H is the typical preempt, my partner has only two hearts and didn't double or overcall. Opener has extras and we will go for a number. 2) If it is a Precision pair, we will go for a number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Hi, system matters. If the opponents play a limited system, the 4H bid can be based on a fairly strong hand.If the opponents have only a limited experience / agreement set, again the 4H bid can be based on a fairly strong hand. On average they will have the majority of the deck, we know, where 25/26 points are, but this assumes opener has a min,never a good basic assumption, the raise will be based on at least min response values, hence it is quite likely thatthey have half+ of the deck.They have a 9 card fit, we will have a 8 card fit. Partner did not overcall 1S, this means we will at best have a 9 card fit without AK in spades, i.e. if we have a spade fit,it will usually be a 8 card fit, chances are, that our fit is in a minor. Playing on the 5 level in a 8 card fit withat most half of the deck is fun, ... for the opponents. If we double, the next in line is the opnener, he has a very cheap way of making clear, that he has more than min XX.4H wont be down a lot, if at all, so XX is quite lucrative and it starts the hunt for blood.If you want to bid, 4S is a lot better, this makes it a lot harder for opener to tell partner, that he has a nice hand,and it is the contract we want to play anyway, if we enter now. In short: Pass. Just because 1 of the opponents did make a weak bid does not make our hand stronger. Add a King, than you have a high probabillity, that we own half of the deck, and we can start talking about thinking tobid, it still would be borderline. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I pass, since I only have one high card. But I want to know what Karlson would do ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaptistec Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Am I the only one who did not even consider X here was for penalty ? (for me X is 100% takeout) I would pass this. And X with at least [♠AJxx ♥x ♦AQJx ♣Qxxx] or [♠QJxx ♥- ♦AQ10xx ♣Q10xx] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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