What's best? beats me.

[kenberg]

[hv=pc=n&s=saq5haj4dak6542cq&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dp1hp]133|200[/hv]

 

 

Your call.

 

It's matchpoints. You are not playing anything exotic. The 1H showed hearts, presumably at least a 6 count or something close to it. A rebid of 3D is, I suppose this goes without saying, strong but not forcing. I didn't and don't think the hand warrants a 2C opening despite this foreseeable problem. I acknowledge that I should have thought about what I was going to do after a major suit response when I opened 1D, I was lazy and didn't, but I think i would still have opened 1D.

 

Whatever is right or wrong on this particular specific full deal, I am interested in what you think is a good plan with this hand.

[eagles123]

edit: I somehow missed that we can just bid 1s that is obviously right :rolleyes:

[wank]

1s - nobody ever passes this unless their original response was a joke, and if it was, we might not be able to make anything anyway.

[ArtK78]

I would bid 3♦. If this gets passed it may very well be the last plus score. It won't be passed very often when 3NT is cold.

[Jinksy]

2♠. I don't expect P to have responded on total junk at this vul, and if he did, maybe he'll pass my force anyway.

[helene_t]

2nt for me, I don't really see the advante of 1♠ but 2♠ of course has the advantage that it is forcing.

[Cyberyeti]

Playing standard either 1♠ or 2♠, if I bid 1♠ it's very likely partner will bid 1N and I can bid 3♥ showing this sort of power and 4351/4360 which is at least close to what I have. 2♠ has the advantage of being forcing. The problem with a 2N rebid is what is partner supposed to do with say xxx, KQ10x, Qx, xxxx ? bid 3N ? 4♥ will likely score better even if 3N makes.

[marcD]

2nt for me, I don't really see the advante of 1♠ but 2♠ of course has the advantage that it is forcing.

I like the idea but it looks more like a 2NT opening rather than a 2NT rebid .The 2♦ and 2♣ are easily confused

[mike777]

2nt now.

 

I esp prefer this if it shows an old fashion 19-20 range.

[vinchy]

(Not so familiar with MPs)

 

4♥ or 3♦, depending on how I read my partner and opponents on the day

 

For most cases, I would want to be in 4♥ even with a 4-3 fit.

 

Unless the feel is that partner has a poor 4 heart + poor and long club suit

[mike777]

perhaps this is too old fashion but cannot 1h be only 3 card suit over 1d.

 

 

this assumes we bid a chunky 1h rather than 1nt.

 

anyway

 

option1=2nt

option2=3d

 

not stated but pls note partner did not bid 2c as a passed hand.

[dave_beer]

2♠.

 

I don't like jump-shifting into a 3-card suit but I don't think I have any choice. 1♠ is not forcing and partner should pass it with any hand that was just trying to escape from 1♦. As little as 5 small ♥ has some play for 4♥.

[P_Marlowe]

3D.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[nekthen]

This is a classic acol 2♦ bid.

The problem arises because of weak 2s.

Do you devalue your 2♣ opening to include this hand?

I think this hand is too weak even for a devalued 2♣, I would bid 3♦ though I have sympathy for 2♠ (not 1♠ as this does not imply a strong hand) but what happens when p raises to 3♠? Either way there is a danger of missing 3NT.

On this hand, if partner has a club stopper he can bid 3♠ to get to 3N without a spade guard. Maybe 3♥ could be a proposal to play 3N without a club stopper, but that is outside the scope of a casual partnership

[mr1303]

Is 1S forcing in your methods? If so, I choose that one.

 

I'm too scared to bid 3D on these cards.

[Trump Echo]

I'd bid 3 Diamonds reluctantly

[fourdad]

I would open 2♣.

Problem solved.

[kenberg]

Is 1S forcing in your methods? If so, I choose that one.

 

I'm too scared to bid 3D on these cards.

 

I think this was the fourth time that we played together and I can't answer that with confidence. Wank, in an early respnse, said

"1s - nobody ever passes this unless their original response was a joke, and if it was, we might not be able to make anything anyway.".

I in fact chose 2S, but I agree with wank's descriptiont of how forcing 1S is or isn't. With a lousy five count, and say 3=5=2=3 distribution, I can imagine bidding 1H over 1D and passing 1S.

But it was not discussed. We were not playing 2/1, we were not playing BWS, we were "just playing".

 

On this particular deal partner held 2=5=2=4 and an 8 count so pretty much all roads lead to 4H. But the best choice of a bid after 1D-1h is not clear to me. I am not sure what partner, with his Jx of spades, would have done over 3D. Probably uttered a prayer to the bridge gods and bid 3NT but I dunno.

[zillahandp]

2hts whats the prob harder at imps

[eagles123]

2hts whats the prob harder at imps

 

:lol:

[crdshrk]

Not opening 2C was correct. Yes you have 20 points, but you have a five-loser hand, not good enough for 2C.

 

So the options now: your hand is better than 3D which is in the 15-18 range. So that is out.

 

You couldn't open 2N because of your shape, so rebidding 2N which now lies about your shape AND points is definitely wrong.

 

A jump shift shows the value of your hand, but the only suit you can jump shift into is clubs, which if not ideal so I would pass on that.

 

So to me, the only viable options are a reverse into 2S or make a game-forcing heart raise. Yes you could be in a 4-3 heart fit, but your ruffing clubs with the short trumps, so that should be ok. So what is the best game forcing bid in hearts? Personally I like a Swiss 4D showing a heart raise with a diamond suit that is a source of tricks. The advantage here is that it keeps 5D (which may be the only making contract) viable.

 

But I have a lot of sympathy for 2S because 3N is where you might need to be and you can still show heart support later. The thing I don't like about 3N is that partner has to bid it exposing your hand.

[perko90]

I think I would have opened 2NT (but not really liked it).

With no fancy agreements, I would try 2♠ (but not really like that, either).

This isn't quite the right hand (but close). I like 4♦ to show long strong D's and a good 3 pc raise of ptr's major. Something like:

 

Ax

AQx

AKJTxxx

x

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&s=saq5haj4dak6542cq&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dp1hp]133|200| Your call. It's matchpoints. You are not playing anything exotic. The 1H showed hearts, presumably at least a 6 count or something close to it. A rebid of 3D is, I suppose this goes without saying, strong but not forcing. I didn't and don't think the hand warrants a 2C opening despite this foreseeable problem. I acknowledge that I should have thought about what I was going to do after a major suit response when I opened 1D, I was lazy and didn't, but I think i would still have opened 1D. Whatever is right or wrong on this particular specific full deal, I am interested in what you think is a good plan with this hand. [/hv]

IMO 2♠ = 10, 2N = 9, 1♠ = 8, 4♥ = 7, 3♦ = 6, 3♥ = 5.

[Left2Right]

Funny you should ask: This is the hand that my new BBO constraint file allows you and you partners to test.

 

See http://www.charlesandgerry.com/bridge/constraints.html

 

Instructions on how to use constraint files at the BBO bidding or Teaching tables are on this page.

One must scroll down the page to get to the library of constraints.

 

Do keep in mind that your bidding solution, whatever it is, will need to work opposite wonderful hands as well as the mangy ones.

 

Charles A. Lee

[1stpanda]

The downside of bidding spades is as Charles Lee says - Partner may have a good hand like ♠-Kxxx ♥-Kxxx ♦-Qx ♣KJx - - partner will bid 4S over your 1S or Blackwood over 2S and you will be committed to playing in spades, vulnerable to bad trump breaks, when where you want to be is 6D.

 

This hand type was discussed many times in the Bridge World Master Solver's Club - it was familiarly known as the "Bridge World Death Hand." It is likely that what will work best in practice is to jump shift in clubs - your only real losing case will be when partner has 6 clubs (of 12) rather than a losing case of partner having 4 spades (of 10). When 3C goes wrong, though, it can be ugly. The nonforcing 1S rebid also has much to recommend it - as has been discussed, your worst case will be being stranded in a 3-3 fit at the 1-level when partner has 4 or 5 hearts and a weak hand.

 

I find opening 2NT with this hand distasteful - when partner bids Stayman, and RHO doubles for the lead, you just know you are sunk. And when partner transfers, you have no good way to investigate slam potential - is partner going to believe that ♠ - xxx ♥ - KQxxx ♦ xx ♣ - xxx yields a great play for slam from your side? Or are you going to drive to slam over his 3NT rebid, and find that he has ♠ - xxx ♥ - Kxxxx ♦ - Jx ♣ - Jxx?

 

And a 2♣ opening is beyond the pale - after 2♣-negative response, 3♦, you basically have no chance to reach a making spot. And does his major suit rebid here show 5 or can it be 4, or even a stopper?