wank Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sa65haq9432dk76ck&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=2s3hp4cp]133|200[/hv] imps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 4♥ sigh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think we too good to bid 4H I think I would just temporize with 4d we haven't bid leaping mike so maybe 4d is just a general force rather than a genuine suit? interesting problem anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 nonexpert answer here. 4H, I don't think we could have a much worse hand or suit so I want to make the smallest encouragement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Bidding 3♥ vul has already shown a pretty decent hand. Maybe not quite as good as we have, what with the ♣K now flexing its muscle ... but not enough to get frisky either. 4♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 We have no clue how strong partner is BUT the one thing we know for sure they did NOT bid 3s. That means there is a pretty darn good chance they may be interested in slam but they cannot proceed logically w/o a spade control. The 4d bid not only shows a dia control but ALSO shows a spade control (does not promise first round). Imagine poor p with xxx Kxxx AQJ AQJ what are they to do over 3h? If we fail to cooperate we might easily miss a grand slam because we failed to heed the probably important message of no spade control. While p will rarely have that magical combination there are still plenty of small slam chances and if p is at all interested in slam the 5 level is almost assuredly safe (something p probably does not know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masse24 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 4♥ sigh.----"sigh" about sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think we too good to bid 4H I think I would just temporize with 4d we haven't bid leaping mike so maybe 4d is just a general force rather than a genuine suit? interesting problem anywayYou could have a hand too weak for LM or you could have just four diamonds. OTOH partner should understand that you are under pressure and don't want to bid 6♥ on just about any 6-card suit (let alone 5-card suit) but also don't want to bypass 4♥. I agree that the hand is a bit strong for 4♥ and maybe 4♦ is the best bid. I don't think it shows extras, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't see how shifting suits does not always promise extras here, very often much extra. In any case I thought this hand at this point in the bidding fits very well into the definition of minimum hand for my bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I have four big cards, maybe five. I'm just going to go for all the marbles here. 5NT - pick a slam. 4♦ is a decent shot as well, since it might help get us to the 4-3 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sa65haq9432dk76ck&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=2s3hp4cp]133|200| imps[/hv] IMO 4♠ = 10, 4♥ = 9, 5N = 8, 4♦ = 7, 4N = 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardv Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 What's the standard meaning of this 4♣? Several of the comments imply that it's a cue for hearts, but I think it's natural. (I'm not saying that's best, I'm saying that's what I'd expect from an expert I'd never discussed it with.) In that case, 4♥ now means we want to play there, and 4♦ means we're in doubt about level or strain. So 4♦ it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Yes it is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboxley Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 We have no clue how strong partner is BUT the one thing we know for sure they did NOT bid 3s. That means there is a pretty darn good chance they may be interested in slam but they cannot proceed logically w/o a spade control. The 4d bid not only shows a dia control but ALSO shows a spade control (does not promise first round). Imagine poor p with xxx Kxxx AQJ AQJ what are they to do over 3h? How about 5H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 5♣ Bidding the only game I think I can make. I don't want to play 4♥ with a singleton across and ♣K is a big card in this spot. Going for slam with 3 cards in spades and a singleton in clubs is obviously very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 partner had a toke with his 4c bid (a 6 count) so results are meaningless. fwiw i bid 4d, partner bid 5c and i raised to 6. should be -3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 How about 5H? Which becomes quite bad if we have xxx in spades also:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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