Everybody's talking

[Hanoi5]

[hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1h2d2s3d?]133|100[/hv]

 

What is:

 

Pass

X

3♥

[SteveMoe]

Pass = any minimzum that can't raise ♠. Likely 2=5=3=3. 1=5=(43) possible.

X = Cooperative penalty. Extras with 2-3 ♦ cards and no ♠ raise. Other uses possible but not as worthwhile.

3♥ = a good 6+ card suit in a hand that can't raise ♠.

[Hanoi5]

xx

AQTxxx

Ax

KQx

 

and

 

xx

QJTxxx

Kx

AQx

 

Both bid 3♥?

[mike777]

I AM OLD have no idea what cooperative means so:

 

pass=minimum

x=penalty

3h=extras

[mike777]

xx

AQTxxx

Ax

KQx

 

and

 

xx

QJTxxx

Kx

AQx

 

Both bid 3♥?

 

NO

 

not close hand one may pass but minimum 3h

 

hand two is just silly

[WesleyC]

Using double as 'penalties' in this sequence leaves you without a bid on hands with extra values but no fit. I'd prefer to use double to show this type of hand. For example [xx AKJxx xx AKQx] or [Kx Axxxxx x AKxx]. Partner is allowed to convert the double on an appropriate hand (e.g. a trump trick(s) and heart shortage) but that certainly isn't their default choice.

 

I'm also more in Steve's camp about the meaning of 3H. I wouldn't pass many hands with a chunky 6c heart suit and either some shape or a few extras. For me [Kx AKJTxx x Jxxx] or [Qx AQJTxx xx AJx] would qualify.