manudude03 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=st964ht8632dt74c8&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1c1h1s]133|200[/hv] All vul at MPs, weak field.I had a bit of a disagreement with partner over what the right call here is. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I will try pass. Expect most posters to bid something here to preempt/block/confuse opp. If weak field I will out defend rather than try and steal or be destructive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 4H feels like too much and 2H feels like wrong and pass feels like wrong so I'll do something something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm bidding 4H. In a sufficiently weak field, that's not optimal; you'd rather let the opponents play whatever contract and outplay the rest of the field. However, in that weak a field, I'm not playing to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=st964ht8632dt74c8&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1c1h1s]133|200| All vul at MPs, weak field.I had a bit of a disagreement with partner over what the right call here is. What's your call?[/hv] IMO 4♥ = 10, 3♥ = 9, 2♦ = 8, Pass = 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't find the argument for 4h convincing. Not surprised to find posters do not pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Given that I have 4 spades I would just bid 3H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 sorry, let me qualify my previous post. i would bid 3H in a weak field, a strong field, a left field, a center field... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 ya got it...just not sure what your logic is but ok.... I assume you say 3h wins much more often than pass, much more often I expected these posts I expected that 3h AND 4H WOULD win poll and it does.-------------------------- Again if your point is pass is losing bridge ok...but I do not see posters saying that and making a logic for that.----------------------- My one and only logic for pass is that pard will play me for less...for weakish.the opp may missguess length in hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I bid 2♥ the extra trumps make up for the missing high cards and since I didn't bid 2♣ (which would show a good 2♥ raise) partner should not get excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 may we see the full deal please, interesting problem with many answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unfortunately you had 3 opponents on this deal so it probably wouldn't help (though I guess in this case pass wins :P): [hv=pc=n&s=st964ht8632dt74c8&w=sak7hajdk95ck7432&n=s5hq754dq3caqjt95&e=sqj832hk9da8j62c6&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1c1h1s3h4s5hppdppp]399|300[/hv] And yes, partner really did overcall on Qxxx and then bid to the 5-level... He said that I really have to pass there, and one of the opponents suggested I should be playing with the most aggressive player in the club, so thought I'd check my own sanity. Defense dropped a trick so it was -800. I don't think anyone bid the slam (something went wrong when uploading the scores so can't check). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Weak game?!! You're not kidding! Any game with someone who can overcall 1♥ with your PD's hand and then sac 5♥ is an exceptionally weak game! Your 3♥ bid is fine and it is enough vs weak opps. Your PD is criticizing you here? I'd run (not walk) but RUN from this PD!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Wow, how to punish partner, overcall on Qxxx and then Sac Vul???? Also what Slam? I lead club 9 and as long as North covers and returns one you get a trump trick as well don't you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Also what Slam? I lead club 9 and as long as North covers and returns one you get a trump trick as well don't you?? Good point, though it can still be made double dummy (ruff high and then low spade to the 7 :P), down in practice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 This violates the rules of the game. Partner is always world class and makes the best bid or at the very least a very reasonable bid. :) To put it another way, the rules are we make the crucial bid, our WC hero partner will respond. In any case I stick with my pass but expect the majority to bid some number of hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 3♥ from me, wouldn't really consider four, maybe if I had short spades. Partner doesn't really have anything that looks vaguely close to a 1♥ overcall, I'm not averse to the occasional 4-card overcall but Qxxx is just nuts. 5♥ is not from planet earth. If your partner is criticising you on this hand it sounds like he has an attitude problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 2H, 3H or 4H according to partnership style seems fine. I'd choose 3H. Your partner is the epitome of Centre Hand Opponents. 1H is terrible enough, but 5H?! Seriously? ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Given the overcall it is probably safe to say that 3♥ was taken as limit raise strength and not as preemptive. In that context it is less unreasonable to criticise 3♥, not that this excuses their own choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 3H seems completely normal to me. 4H is too much and there is no reason to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 3♥ seems reasonable. The problem with 2♥ is that partner will assume that you have the values for a 2♥ call, which you do not. The problem with 4♥ is that you may be a rational human being, and 4♥ would make that assumption an overbid (with all due respect to those posters who consider 4♥ to be a rational choice). At least 3♥ is defined as weak with long hearts. Whatever else you have to say about this hand, it is weak and it contains 5 hearts. I have some sympathy for pass, because I really dislike takiing a bid on these cards. As for what actually happened, it appears that you were experiencing Kobayashi Maru syndrome. There is no right answer, only a number of wrong answers. Maybe you could have survived by passing or by bidding 2♥, but you would have felt dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 3H is just right - Goldilocks and the three raises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 In my experiences, pass is a little too cute but you don't want to give opponents too much information about their possible fit - I bid 2H only as that could as easily be a 3-card raise and leaves doubt as to the size fit held by opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'd rather psyche a 3NT bid than bidding 2♥ or pass. But 3♥ looks normal. 4♥ is ok too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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