2015 NFL Thread

[billw55]

AFAIK the NFL teams make huge money from the TV deals (and the salary cap goes up as the TV deals go up). They all split this revenue equally. They also split merchandise revenues with the exception of THE COWBOYS (jerry jones elite businessman!)

 

I am not sure how game tickets work but I believe they are split somehow also. Of course hosting a playoff game/superbowl can be very good for a cities economy I'm sure since you get a lot of out of town people coming in and spending money locally, but I don't think teams directly make money from hosting playoff games.

Don't know for sure, but I would guess that ticket revenue is split somehow, while concessions, alcohol, parking, and some other types of in-stadium sales are kept by the home club. That's no chump change.

[jjbrr]

among the most predictable results in human history, after the NFL implemented new procedures for inspecting game balls in 2015

 

• The Patriots had the fewest fumbles of any NFL offense.

• The Patriots had the best fumble rate of any NFL offense.

• The Patriots had one of their best fumble rates of the past decade.

[Cyberyeti]

I am not able to read that link, but if it says that a home game is not a money maker for an NFL team, I have a hard time believing that.

 

Extract:

 

"The NFL’s socialist model continues in the playoffs. Playoff home teams in baseball, basketball and hockey keep anywhere from 50% to 100% of ticket revenues, depending on the sport and the number of games in the series. In football, all gate receipts flow to the league."

[mike777]

I believe each team gets 188million just from the national tv deal.

 

I would think at some point you can pipe in crowd noise(it had been done in the past) CGI the crowd shots and mount the whole game on an indoor tv set. Save the cost of a billion buck stadium and parking lot, maintenance expense times 32 teams. There is talk of moving 3 teams to LA but who knows in time move all 32 to the tv production capital.

 

Keep in mind there is only about 12 minutes of actual football play, the rest of the game is filler to sell stuff.

[billw55]

Extract:

 

"The NFL's socialist model continues in the playoffs. Playoff home teams in baseball, basketball and hockey keep anywhere from 50% to 100% of ticket revenues, depending on the sport and the number of games in the series. In football, all gate receipts flow to the league."

Ah, interesting, good to know.

 

Still, there are other revenue streams related to a home game, some of which I mentioned above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mgoetze]

OK guys, brace yourselves... Nantz and Simms are going to blame anyone and everyone EXCEPT Peyton Manning for the Broncos collapse that is imminent. ;)

[Zelandakh]

OK guys, brace yourselves... Nantz and Simms are going to blame anyone and everyone EXCEPT Peyton Manning for the Broncos collapse that is imminent. ;)

Well you were right in as much as they blamed everyone except the QB, just wrong about which team. :lol:

[Cyberyeti]

Well you were right in as much as they blamed everyone except the QB, just wrong about which team. :lol:

 

When your leading rusher is Tom Brady with 13 yards, you've got issues.

[Zelandakh]

When your leading rusher is Tom Brady with 13 yards, you've got issues.

In fairness, their best rusher in last season's AFC Divisional game had 7 yards (with a team total of 14) but they still beat the Ravens 35-31. Some might be surprised the Pats tried to run it as often as they did. With a slightly better OLine for pass protection, they may well have forgotten about the ground game completely.

[Flem72]

C'mon youse guys, give it up for one of the best defenses ever to play the game. Have you ever seen so much action at the snap?:

[Cyberyeti]

In fairness, their best rusher in last season's AFC Divisional game had 7 yards (with a team total of 14) but they still beat the Ravens 35-31. Some might be surprised the Pats tried to run it as often as they did. With a slightly better OLine for pass protection, they may well have forgotten about the ground game completely.

 

I wasn't just talking about the numbers, if Brady's running, it's not a designed run if it goes more than 1 yard (he sneaks but that's about it), it means there's pressure. If nobody else can run more than him, it means he can't reduce that pressure.

[billw55]

C'mon youse guys, give it up for one of the best defenses ever to play the game. Have you ever seen so much action at the snap?:

OK, great defense. Held two of the top offenses in the league to 10 points under their season average.

 

So, let's imagine they do the same one more time. That would be 21 points for Carolina. Can Denver score 22 points? Carolina's defense is pretty good too, I say no.

 

 

[andrei]

OK guys, brace yourselves... Nantz and Simms are going to blame anyone and everyone EXCEPT Peyton Manning for the Broncos collapse that is imminent. ;)

 

Still waiting for the collapse.

 

It seems Brady has lost his last 5 playoff games against Manning family.

[billw55]

Still waiting for the collapse.

 

It seems Brady has lost his last 5 playoff games against Manning family.

Well, it almost happened. Bombing the field on 4th down like the Packers.

[mgoetze]

Still waiting for the collapse.

Don't worry, you'll see it in 2 weeks. Carson Palmer played much the way I expected Peyton Manning to play, and that defense the Broncos ran against the Patriots wouldn't work against the Panthers.

[Flem72]

Don't worry, you'll see it in 2 weeks. Carson Palmer played much the way I expected Peyton Manning to play, and that defense the Broncos ran against the Patriots wouldn't work against the Panthers.

 

OK, you're all bringing out the homer in me.

 

I've only seen Carolina play three times, and it seems to me that they are pretty much a well-oiled machine. But it won't be "that"defense, it'll be one designed for what the Donks see on tape and what they've been told by other NFC coordinators about Carolina's tendencies. And Newton hasn't been tested under full game pressure.

 

As for the "10 points under" theory:

First, a factual note: that NE TD was not a product of their offense.

Second, this kind of analysis should be based on scoring opportunities: What happens if Carolina has to forego TDs for FG attempts? I don't have any idea how good Carolina's FG guy might be....ours can score consistently from 50+.

 

All that said, I doubt whether any unit can play 60 minutes like that two games in a row; however, if wiliness, emotion and commitment can turn the tide, this defense is the one to do it.That ball bounces funny; that's why they play the games.

[andrei]

Don't worry, you'll see it in 2 weeks.

 

We just saw a big collapse, lol, wrong team though.

 

that defense the Broncos ran against the Patriots wouldn't work against the Panthers.

 

Yeah right.

[jjbrr]

peyton manning is the greatest of all time

 

ainec

[Zelandakh]

Yeah right.

Any half-decent defence would have worked against a team that refused to do anything but zone runs on 1st down and ran into a wall of referee blindness on 2nd and 3rd downs. Was I alone in finding the remark "However, Carolina is out of challenges" petulant to the point of saying "Hey, you embarassed us on our big day...TWICE!" What is certain is that there were no serious decisions that went Carolina's way for the rest of the game; and the holding penalty at the end was completely LOL the way they had called the game.

 

Which raises another point. How easy would it be to buy an American Football game without even contacting a player, just by nobbling the OC and the refs? Doesn't have to be the superbowl, you can potentially make plenty of cash just on a college or minor league game. Does the NFL monitor betting patterns the way most major football leagues do?

[billw55]

The officiating wasn't great, but wasn't one sided either. Denver took a 15 yarder for a late hit that was a total phantom on replay, with the runner obviously not down yet when the second hit occurred. The early taunting penalty on Talib was iffy too, he and the receiver were jawing in each other's face totally equally that I could see. I figured Talib was flagged mainly for being a dirtbag, which he proved later with a flagrantly dangerous facemask when he knew it wouldn't cost them anything.

 

The late holding call in the endzone was obviously correct, I don't get the complaint there.

[kenberg]

Since I don't watch often I refrain from commenting but even I watch the superbowl and there were two things that stunned me.

 

Of course there should be a limit on challenges, but I had always thought that the limit took effect through challenges for which the ruling on the field was upheld. Having a limit on the number of challenges for which the ruling on the field was found to be wrong strikes me as very weird. Obviously it is the rule since it was applied, but it's weird.

 

And then there was the punt return where the runner was not tackled as soon as he got the ball because the potential tacklers, within a foot or two of him, thought a fair catch had been signaled. Again I guess it can happen because it did happen, but I had never heard of it before.

 

My apologies for my naivety.

 

All in all I enjoyed it and I think that the Carolina qb has a great future ahead of him. He has a lot of weight for a quarterback but he seems to be able to handle it.

[Zelandakh]

The late holding call in the endzone was obviously correct, I don't get the complaint there.

American sports are traditionally called extremely loosely in big games ("let the players play", "don't have the refs decide the game", etc) so such holding was going on the entire game. Yes it was an obvious foul but there were plenty of other examples during the game that were not called. My view is that a sport should not have effectively different rules for play-offs and the final than for the rest of the time. If something is a foul in a regular season game it should also be called in a big game. Let the players play harder sure but not cheat more. Unfortunately that is the reality of the way American sports are run and arguably the main reason why the defensive team almost always beats the offensive team in the superbowl.

[billw55]

American sports are traditionally called extremely loosely in big games ("let the players play", "don't have the refs decide the game", etc) so such holding was going on the entire game. Yes it was an obvious foul but there were plenty of other examples during the game that were not called. My view is that a sport should not have effectively different rules for play-offs and the final than for the rest of the time. If something is a foul in a regular season game it should also be called in a big game. Let the players play harder sure but not cheat more. Unfortunately that is the reality of the way American sports are run and arguably the main reason why the defensive team almost always beats the offensive team in the superbowl.

I agree, up to the comment about American sports. Rules should be the same.

 

But soccer is no different. Allowed contact varies at least as much, and to my eye more. Effectively having only one official who can call fouls contributes to this. I have seen international matches that resembled rugby. Players know this, and right from the opening whistle they are pushing the limit to see what is allowed today.

[Cyberyeti]

The officiating wasn't great, but wasn't one sided either. Denver took a 15 yarder for a late hit that was a total phantom on replay, with the runner obviously not down yet when the second hit occurred. The early taunting penalty on Talib was iffy too, he and the receiver were jawing in each other's face totally equally that I could see. I figured Talib was flagged mainly for being a dirtbag, which he proved later with a flagrantly dangerous facemask when he knew it wouldn't cost them anything.

 

The late holding call in the endzone was obviously correct, I don't get the complaint there.

 

The complaint was that Carolina receivers were hit early and/or held all day and those weren't called.

[Zelandakh]

But soccerfootball is no different.

You are right but in a different way to how you meant. Yes, different referees have different lines but that is not a problem so long as the line is constant regardless of whether it is a second division game or the World Cup. Where football gets it wrong is in forcing the referees to use a completely different line in major chamiponship finals than that that was used for the preliminary stages. That is less of a cultural thing than of FIFA trying to make sure regional differences are evened out but the nett effect is that certain actions get singled out for unusually severe penalties. The difference is (arguably) not as marked as in American sports but nonetheless something I find annoying, particularly when the World Cup comes around.