Bidding disaster: what to learn from this one

[kgr]

Also, a cuebid would have shown a balanced limit+ raise in spades.

Why don't you play mixed cue bid: a balanced limit+ raise in spades or another invitational hand.

With a good overcall East does not bid 4S, but would cuebid again (or bid 3NT).

With the hands shown the bidding goes:

1D-p-p-1S

p-2D-p-3NT

 

OR

 

1D-p-p-1S

p-2D-p-3D

p-3NT

 

After the cuebid, overcaller does not raise to 4 with a good hand, but bids 3NT or cues again.

[Flame]

I just want to add that this isnt such a big disaster, you have 25 hcp balance with no fit and playing 1nt, sure its not it the your best contract ever but iv seen 3nt go down with more, if i look only at our hands id probelby be happy we stopper low.

[flytoox]

I think it is better to play 2N as natural, and 3S as invitational. There is no point to play 3S as preempt. Or you can play 3D as 4-card good raise.

[luis]

I think the problem is quite simple,

first of all I assume you don't want to change your system and of course you couldn't do that at the table.

So if 2NT and the cuebid are not systemmic then we have only 1NT and 3NT left, since 1NT is a serious underbid I pick 3NT with the optimism of the game bonus if 3NT makes. If you can have a 9 counter then 9+14 = 23 more than many makeable 3NTs we play every day and with points concentrated after the opening bid of 1d I think the 14 counter can be upgraded to 15/16 just because of the position.

With the systemmic considerations in mind the meaning of 3NT is now clear to the 1s bidder.

 

3NT. Quite simple.

[helene_t]

Ok, it should logically be forcing, but since the 2C bidder is limited by not doubling 1st round, in practice it is not.

Not really limited. I play Raptor myself so I sometimes have to pass in direct seat with 17 HCPs.

[Chamaco]

Ok, it should logically be forcing, but since the 2C bidder is limited by not doubling 1st round, in practice it is not.

Not really limited. I play Raptor myself so I sometimes have to pass in direct seat with 17 HCPs.

The way I play Raptor, an offshape 16 or 17 balanced hand would double and bid NT later.

 

An offshape bad/fair 15 balanced hand would pass, whereas a *very good* 15 with many tens might be upgraded and double.